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Thought control - sexual fantasizing is wrong - May 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

>>the bible reveals that jehovah issaddened when people pursue a wick-ed course and ‘the inclination of theirthoughts is only bad all the time.’ (readgenesis 6:5, 6.

) from this we can per-ceive that sexual fantasizing is wrongbecause it can lead to serious sin that isforbidden in the scriptures and is out ofharmony with jehovah’s way of think-ing.the disciple james wrote: “the wis-dom from above is first of all pure, thenpeaceable, reasonable, ready to obey,full of mercy and good fruits, impar-tial, not hypocritical.” (jas.

3:17) beingaware of this, we should be moved toreject entertainment that fuels impurethoughts and inclinations.

Listener

I lost half my OP when I tried to edit it on my Pendo. I had meant to include the following comments.

The magazine states that "sexual fantasizing is wrong"

This gives us an insight into the minds of the JW writer and all the Brothers that reviewed this article which also includes the seven GB members who are married men.

Having sexual fantasies and both normal and healthy, it would be difficult for a person to have sex if this wasn't the case.

It is natural for even a married person to fantasize about what they did or will do with their partner.

With all his responsibilities as an appointed GB member I wonder why Jackson found such as need to marry?

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Thought control - sexual fantasizing is wrong - May 2016 Watchtower

by Listener in

>>the bible reveals that jehovah issaddened when people pursue a wick-ed course and ‘the inclination of theirthoughts is only bad all the time.’ (readgenesis 6:5, 6.

) from this we can per-ceive that sexual fantasizing is wrongbecause it can lead to serious sin that isforbidden in the scriptures and is out ofharmony with jehovah’s way of think-ing.the disciple james wrote: “the wis-dom from above is first of all pure, thenpeaceable, reasonable, ready to obey,full of mercy and good fruits, impar-tial, not hypocritical.” (jas.

3:17) beingaware of this, we should be moved toreject entertainment that fuels impurethoughts and inclinations.

Listener

>>The Bible reveals that Jehovah issaddened when people pursue a wick-ed course and ‘the inclination of theirthoughts is only bad all the time.’ (ReadGenesis 6:5, 6.) From this we can per-ceive that sexual fantasizing is wrongbecause it can lead to serious sin that isforbidden in the Scriptures and is out ofharmony with Jehovah’s way of think-ing.The disciple James wrote: “The wis-dom from above is first of all pure, thenpeaceable, reasonable, ready to obey,full of mercy and good fruits, impar-tial, not hypocritical.” (Jas. 3:17) Beingaware of this, we should be moved toreject entertainment that fuels impurethoughts and inclinations. PerceptiveChristians do not need to ask whether itis acceptable to be entertained by a cer-tain book, movie, or game that featureswhat Jehovah hates. His mind on suchmatters is made clear in his Word.<<

It is clear that these men must have only impure thoughts and inclinations when they have sexual thoughts.

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

Listener

Simon - You know things take a pause over the xmas break, right?
Don't be so impatient, give people a chance.

That is true but surely she took that into account before she made her statement?

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

Listener

Sorry, I should have explained myself a little better when I said 'readily available'. It is currently too expensive for a lot of people and for various reasons there are many that would not want payments showing up on their banking records. There are some that just don't want to pay for what could be seen as 'apostate' material.

I agree with everything you wrote in your last post Cappytan.

I now understand more about why Cedars did what he did (and what drove him to it) and putting aside my personal opinion on the matter, I think it is absolutely commendable that he has tried to rectify things as much as he can. We all step out of line at times but it says a lot about a person when they try to fix their errors and indiscretions.

It's disappointing that things like this happen but when things are brought to a head, it often results in a clearer picture for the future. It is likely we will get to know where the copyright holder really stands on the matter, one way or the other.

The copyright holder has the legal right to manage this any way they want but that doesn't mean we have to like it.

I am wondering if it is possible to email a file equivalent to the size of Crisis of Conscience to another person with just the one attachment?

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

jw
friends

i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

Listener

It's very disappointing that this book is still not readily available by legal means. It seems that there has been more of an effort put into stopping people having access to this book.

The Watchtower must be delighted.

The current situation is now worse than ever.

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Fidel Castro and the WT

by Hecce in

i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

Listener

What illegal methods did they use to get the money out of the country?

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Is that a brother praying what do you think?

by slimboyfat in

at the risk of revealing how i waste my time on youtube, is that a brother praying after about 45 seconds into this video?

what on earth is he doing?

http://youtu.be/8xeh863xzmg.

Listener

It is strange as to why they would give a prayer, especially for a stranger (or should I say neighbour?). It was funny how he mumbled something like 'may she see the truth of the matter'.

If it was me I would have asked the guy if he wanted to report it to the police and if I had a phone on me I would have tried to get a photo of the lady.

I wonder if these JWs were out in service (on a coffee break)? It was funny to see a marked change in personality, particularly from Elders when they were doing field service. It was like they were now on duty and there one focus was God during this time.

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Is that a brother praying what do you think?

by slimboyfat in

at the risk of revealing how i waste my time on youtube, is that a brother praying after about 45 seconds into this video?

what on earth is he doing?

http://youtu.be/8xeh863xzmg.

Listener

Towards the end the pranksters show themselves telling some of the groups of people it was just a prank. Usually when these sorts of 'candid camera' pranks are done for television they will get the permission from those on the film allowing them to air it.

The JWs would not have known at the stage of giving a prayer.

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Is that a brother praying what do you think?

by slimboyfat in

at the risk of revealing how i waste my time on youtube, is that a brother praying after about 45 seconds into this video?

what on earth is he doing?

http://youtu.be/8xeh863xzmg.

Listener

It's possible that the JWs did know it was a hoax given that the pranksters told other's that it was after the fact.

The owners might be prepared to do another video centred on the praying and their reactions afterwards.

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Book Review: The Watchtower Society, Organizational Misbehavior

by johnny depp in

jw
friends

this is the way crisis of conscience should have been written.

finally, a book written on the watchtower society by someone who actually knows how to write!

after reading the subheading, “the psychology of jehovah’s witnesses,” (pages 160–182), i have abandoned the belief that we have an “unconscious,” and will never again consult any psychologist, psychiatrist, or counselor.

Listener

The book isn't a hoax. It's for sale on Lulu for $72.54 (excl. GST). This guy, Johnny Depp, is promoting it on the internet in various places, including a number of times here.