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Memoir by Prince

by Dagney in

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-to-publish-unconventional-memoir-in-2017-20160318 .

hmmmm...i wonder if he will preach?.

Something that may have been overlooked by the Australian Royal Commission

by Listener in

i was reading a post made by a female jw on another forum that was answering a question regarding under age baptism and underage girls speaking to elders regarding sexual matters.

her answer was sickening and it got me wondering whether the rc has overlooked a very serious problem.this is a link to her commentshttp://en.allexperts.com/q/jehovah-s-witness-1617/2015/8/baptism-1919.htmdid the rc ask for a list of victims or underage persons who had been subjected to a judicial committee?given that there is a practice of baptising children and young teenagers, i don't doubt that a number of them would have been subjected to their own jc in regards to sexual issues.

we have even heard of cases where young females have been raped but have been found guilty of fornication after a jc.the only files given to the rc was those of perpetrators.the watchtower would have kept records of underage persons who have been subject to a jc in relation to sexual matters.

Listener

Thanks TheGirlNextDoor, much appreciated.
Sister T does not do her organisation any favours. Just reading some of her posts would scare away any potential JWs.

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Something that may have been overlooked by the Australian Royal Commission

by Listener in

i was reading a post made by a female jw on another forum that was answering a question regarding under age baptism and underage girls speaking to elders regarding sexual matters.

her answer was sickening and it got me wondering whether the rc has overlooked a very serious problem.this is a link to her commentshttp://en.allexperts.com/q/jehovah-s-witness-1617/2015/8/baptism-1919.htmdid the rc ask for a list of victims or underage persons who had been subjected to a judicial committee?given that there is a practice of baptising children and young teenagers, i don't doubt that a number of them would have been subjected to their own jc in regards to sexual issues.

we have even heard of cases where young females have been raped but have been found guilty of fornication after a jc.the only files given to the rc was those of perpetrators.the watchtower would have kept records of underage persons who have been subject to a jc in relation to sexual matters.

Listener

I was reading a post made by a female JW on another forum that was answering a question regarding under age baptism and underage girls speaking to elders regarding sexual matters. Her answer was sickening and it got me wondering whether the RC has overlooked a very serious problem.
This is a link to her commentshttp://en.allexperts.com/q/Jehovah-s-Witness-1617/2015/8/baptism-1919.htm
Did the RC ask for a list of victims or underage persons who had been subjected to a Judicial Committee?
Given that there is a practice of baptising children and young teenagers, I don't doubt that a number of them would have been subjected to their own JC in regards to sexual issues. We have even heard of cases where young females have been raped but have been found guilty of fornication after a JC.
The only files given to the RC was those of perpetrators.
The Watchtower would have kept records of underage persons who have been subject to a JC in relation to sexual matters. There was a mention of sexting occuring and without a doubt, if that young person was baptised they would have been subject to a JC.
Do you think this may have been overlooked and if so, is it worth bringing to the attention of the RC?

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Hello, fairly new, studying for around 7 months, just thought I would introduce myself.

by Conanthebeliever in

hello everyone, i hope you are all ok. .

my name is conan, i am 25, and from the uk.

i have some brain damage, so i apologise in advance if my syntax is off or i go a long way around explaining things.

Listener

Good on you for doing your own research Conan and I'm glad to hear that things went well.

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

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Listener

Ruby 456 Tellyawards has a long long list of productions and judges who have prestige and money of whom are doing something of value in communities.

The only information I could find about the judges was this on the Telly Awards website

All judges are members of the Silver Telly Council....
If you or one of your colleagues is a past Silver Telly winner, and you would like to be considered for membership in the Silver Telly Council, apply here.

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

!

Listener

Ruby - edit: for example if someone said I am model and I am represented by A1 agency. You would immediately know that this model has a standing. for me this is what the watctower are saying - we have been recognised by telly awards and here is our award and certificate

You would be mad to accept that the model has a standing just because she says she is represented by A1 Agency unless she had proof of it and you knew that A1 Agency were a reputable firm. Thousands of aspiring models have been scammed by irreputable Agencies.

It could be that she paid A1 Agency to represent her and they were only to happy to do so, even providing her with a portfolio of photos. In this scenario A1 Agency has left it to her to do all the legwork and has represented her at all if she's had to introduce herself to prospective employers/contractors.

I don't see anything wrong with the article written by John Redwood and you haven't brought up any points proving him wrong.

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

!

Listener

Ruby you posted this quote

here is what quora, that cedars linked to, also says about these awards
The Webbys are a true competition award, like the Emmys, Tonys, etc while the Tellys are more like certificates of merit.

Note the use of the words 'more like'. They are saying that the Tellys are 'more like' a certificate than a competition.

In another example, lets say I was describing a house which looked more like an office building than a house. You could not come to the conclusion that it was not a house.

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

!

Listener

Ruby 456 here is what quora, that cedars linked to, also says about these awards
The Webbys are a true competition award, like the Emmys, Tonys, etc while the Tellys are more like certificates of merit.

Cedar's didn't link to it, John Redwood did in his article.

cedars' (John Redwood) article uses circular reasoning and is very misleading as it based on a misperception. he then goes on to base his whole article on his own misperception as hekeeps calling these awards a competition when in reality they are (in their own words) below
The Telly Awards is the premier award honoring the finest film and video productions,

Ruby, you even posted a quote that said it was a competition. The quote from Quora just makes the statement that the awards are more like a merit certificate than a competition. To be clear, they did not say that it was not a competition.

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Has anyone any contacts in Australia specifically Jehovah Witnesses

by tor1500 in

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i hope i added this topic so everyone could read & comment.

i was just thinking, since this arc thing, does anyone here know any one in australia, that knows about the arc or how it's affecting the jw's there.

i used to go to a site that had a really nice person who is a jw, he never argued or debated, never sent back hateful comments, & he lives in australia.

Listener

I've submitted this comment on Allexperts in reply to Brenton's claims, it is awaiting approval.

<<You need to be very careful about listening to JWs regarding child abuse and the Royal Commission in Australia, that is because they may mislead you and often do not give ALL the relevant details. Funny but this is how Brenton feels about ex JWs and says so on his profile.

Brenton claims the following:-

" A law firm did an analysis of the data provided by the WTS over that 65 year period the break down into several, various components. Bellow is just one of those that shows what the number of 1006 cases is made up of

Perpetrators

Non family, non Witness - - - - 199 reports

Family, non Witness - - - 470 reports"

Well that's interesting, the Watchtower gave their full list of 1,006 alleged perpetrators to a legal firm to analyse - for their own benefit. They've been claiming client confidentiality for decades but here they're willing to give a legal firm all the details, voluntarily. No one was making them do this or requested it, it's simply something they Watchtower wanted to do to make themselves look better. Ironically, they don't want to voluntarily inform the higher officials of alleged child abuse because they say they believe in this client confidentiality. This is a significant problem that they have and is being pointed out at the RC.

To clarify the "1,006 cases". Let's be clear here. This is the number of individuals that have been accused of child abuse, unfortunately many of these individuals have been accused of abusing more than one child resulting in the number of incidences or cases of alleged child abuse to be much greater than that.

Now out of these 1,006 perpetrators Brenton claims this law firm calculated that 470 of the alleged individuals were non Witness Family members. It's not true. Fortunately we have this public document available to us that we can check. It can be found on the Aust Royal Commission Website under Case Study 29 (JWs) and is on the second page when you click on exhibits. This is the report prepared by the legal firm - "Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (“Commission”) – Analysis Summary – Comments and VerificationDocument ID: WAT.0018.001.0001_R"

The report shows that the 470 individuals were in fact JWs, they were also family members of the victims.

As to quoting a figure of 199 non witness, non family, let's examine that. The report actually states that there was 199 "Not Jehovah's Witness,Unbaptised or Status Unclear at the time of alleged abuse" To be accurate, this does not mean 199 were not JWs, it just means that it wasn't clear what their religious status was. It would also include 'publishers' who are not baptized but counted as JWs.

The Report that the Royal Commission prepared from information given to them by the Watchtower shows approx 87 were not JWs.

Please take note that JWs can't even be accurate about reporting on information that the Watchtower has specifically paid for, for their own benefit. >>

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Has anyone any contacts in Australia specifically Jehovah Witnesses

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i hope i added this topic so everyone could read & comment.

i was just thinking, since this arc thing, does anyone here know any one in australia, that knows about the arc or how it's affecting the jw's there.

i used to go to a site that had a really nice person who is a jw, he never argued or debated, never sent back hateful comments, & he lives in australia.

Listener

Good question Lost generation. The case figures and breakdown were prepared by the RC from the info given to them by the Watchtower. A quick count through the file show there were only approx. 87 non JWs.
If the RC got these figures wrong and there were 100s more non JWs the Watchtower would have said so, they have had ample opportunities. At some stage these figures had been discussed.