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  GB member Geoffrey Jackson going apostate

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, it's true, geoffrey jackson, the cleverest member of the governing body, is going apostate.. he's already written two scholarly books, the question is .... when is his third book going to be released!!.....

  desirousofchange: "faded" is definitely only an "apostate" term.

  i don't know of it being used by wt publications or "in the dark" jwsberrygerry: geoff jackson used it during the arc..

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  In Oct. 2016 a morning worship video was uploaded onto JW org tv titled "a word spoken at the right time" and presented by Geoffrey Jackson.
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  So the governing body is NOT inspired...are they still "spirit directed"?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay there has been lots of buzz about the feb 2017 wt where they say the governing body is not inspired nor infallible.

  yet, they are still using the baptism questions.

  the second one being... "do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah’s witnesses in association with god’s spirit-directedorganization?".

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  In the November broadcast Losch said this
  
  

  Whereas Jesus’ teachings and the word of God are inspired the FDS is not inspired although it champions the truth. Nevertheless the FDS provides spiritual food. Whereas in the first century there was supernatural spiritual food available for apostles and bible writers, in the time of the end Jehovah does not bestow this miraculous gift anymore as explained at 1 Corinthians 13:8. Although there is no divine inspiration today still Jesus leads his people progressively through the services of the faithful slave.

  
  If there has been no divine inspiration since the 1st Century then how did the Bible remain relatively complete down to our day? There stand on there being no inspiration today leaves the Bible itself in question.
  
  In the Insight book under Inspiration they say this
  
  

  Authority of Copies and Translations. Absolute inerrancy is therefore to be attributed to the written Word of God. This is true of the original writings, none of which are known to exist today. The copies of those original writings and the translations made in many languages cannot lay claim to absolute accuracy. There is solid evidence and sound reason for believing, however, that the available manuscripts of the Sacred Scriptures do provide copies of the written Word of God in nearly exact form, the points in question having little bearing on the sense of the message conveyed. God’s own purpose in preparing the Sacred Scriptures and the inspired declaration that “the saying of Jehovah endures forever” give assurance that Jehovah God has preserved the internal integrity of the Scriptures through the centuries.—1Pe 1:25.

  
  Losch quotes 1 Cor. 13:8 as confirming that there is no inspiration today. That scripture from the NWT states
  
  

  Whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are [miraculously spoken] tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with.” (1 Corinthians 13:8)

  
  It states that prophesying and speaking in tongues would cease and also that knowledge would be done away with. They claim that knowledge would actually increase in the last days with the light getting brighter etc. It appears that there slant on this scripture can be found in Watchtower 2008 12/1, which they've kindly added to this scripture so that we can understand it better. It reads
  
  

  Whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are [miraculously spoken] tongues, they will cease; whether there is [divinely revealed] knowledge, it will be done away with.” (1 Corinthians 13:8)

  There we have it, there is no divinely revealed knowledge today. We then have to ask how they identity of the Other Sheep was revealed to them, how they know that Jesus appointed them as the FDS and how they know that they are personally anointed with a heavenly hope.
  
  
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  Anyone else hear of this?

  by Tahoe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a jw family member informed me they are filling out an application to preach the truth in israel.

  interested ones in the congregation were asked to start saving now, as the cost of the flights would be their own responsibility.

  the time frame for this preaching work is for a couple of weeks in may/june 2017. the applications are to be turned in this sunday.

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  They did have trouble at their 2015 Convention which was initially cancelled.
  
  Regardless of whether the Government allows them to freely practice, it appears that the Jews do not like them. The Watchtower may think that it's past is of no consequence but it's not forgotten with the Jews.
  
  Here is an article that looks like it may have been written a few years ago and given the numbers that protested at their 2015 Convention this may explain why.
  
  http://yadlachim.org/?CategoryID=203&ArticleID=577
  
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  "Watchtower Beliefs Clarified", JW.ORG site Ripe for the Picking.

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i can just hear them now.

  oh, how wonderful that the faithful and discreet slave is by going to bat for us against those wicked apostates who are always trying to dig up mud, especially from the older publications.

  hey, they even go all the way back to the year 1870. hey, they even concede, with this timeline, the triple flip-flop of changes that the superior authorities teaching was changed to position no.

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  To call them 'beliefs clarified' is dishonest. In most instances they are not clarifications, they are changes.
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  Hello everyone

  by Lancashirelass in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to add my name to the many number of people who have awakened from the cult.

  i have been lurking for probably 2 years now.

  and i'm quite certain there are many more lurking and reading just like me.. i have to be honest and say that i most likely will not be contributing much to the discussion board.

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  He LancashireLass, nice to hear from you. I'm glad that it has been smooth sailing for you.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Crime Against Grammar

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so this is really starting to grate on me the more i think about it because it's just wrong grammatically.. one of my friends always refers to me used to being "a jehovah witness" which used to grate whenever she said it but now it seems more correct.. think about it this way: bruce springsteen has fans.

  they are fans of bruce springsteen or, bruce springsteen's fans.

  but each of them isn't a bruce springsteen's fan.

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  I'm trying to work this out so sorry if I don't make any sense or there's no 'rhyme or reasoning'.
  
  Blondie had this to say about the name a couple of years ago
  
  

  Did you know that up until April 1, 1977, the WTS spelled Jehovah’s Witnesses as Jehovah’s witnesses with a lower case w? In fact, jws were counseled if they did not do that because the WTS felt it became a religious organization’s name not a description of what members did in their lives.

  
  The second baptismal question is
  
  

  Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?
  

  
  By using a Capital W they have changed the meaning of what it is to be a witness of Jehovah, or Jehovah's witness. It now becomes a title and nothing more, I would have thought that it is up to the person/s creating that title to allocate anything meaningful to it.
  
  I'll try playing around with the ideas as follows -
  
  Let's say there's a bloke call Donald who has one, exclusive mistress and then accumulates a few more. They are all Donald's mistresses and surprisingly, they don't mind saying so.
  
  Then Donald decides he likes this acknowledgement but wants to go much further and create a type of Playboy Club. There are so many that want to join up to this club and Donald wants to give them a name that conjures up a certain picture/idea in people's minds and instead of calling them Bunnies he chooses the name Donald's Mistress. They have become a Donald's Mistress, whereas his true mistresses are, individually, Donald's mistresses or one of Donald's mistresses. Now they are not all Donald's real mistresses, as much as he'd like them to be, there's just too many in this Club. However, some leave the Club. What would the correct grammar be in this scenerio?
  
  They used to be a Donald's Mistress, they were once each a Donald's Mistress.
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  My oldest friend, Quincy Roberts, Ex-JW died last night at age 66

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the first time i walked into a kingdom hall, i was about 15 years old.

  i shook hands with a 12-year-old named quincy.

  as time passed and we grew older, quincy hung out with us older j-dubs.

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  He sounds like a wonderful, giving person and it's remarkable that you were able to meet up with him again in your life. It's sad that he had such a struggle towards the end of his life and I am sure that he appreciated having such a good friend as you.

  May your pain ease in time.
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  Removed from JW.org: Interview w/Jared Kushner

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an earlier reddit post we discussed the possible role that watchtower business associate and trump son-in-law may play in a trump white house; and if that meant that wt may have a friend with the president-elect's ear.. now, thanks to a tip from /u/jpentrak, i've been alerted to the fact that watchtower has removed the video news update: jehovah’s witnesses moving forward.

  this video featured jared kushner speaking in glowing terms about wt personnel and how well maintained the buildings were by the organisation.. despite claims in this same video that "we're not trapped in time" by watchtower spokesman david a. semonian, clearly they don't know that the internet never forgets.. here is the url of the removed page:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/united-states/video-jehovahs-witnesses-sale-brooklyn-move/ .

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  Removing all evidence of 'eating and drinking' with the drunkards' (Matt. 24) does not change the facts.

  Imperfect men may make mistakes but Jesus doesn't talk about a wicked slave as being forgiven.
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  The one oclock meeting

  by Steel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i go to a hall (very rarely) with a single cong of about 60 people in a small city of maybe 10000. our board of elders is a bunch of childless weirdos or at least the ones that make an effort.. they recently changed the sunday meeting time from 10/12 to 1/ 3. a number of us are pissed off.

  its makes to hard to drive to the city or go to a football game.. i just know the gestopo elders behind the change.

  if your life isnt as miserable or pointless as theirs, they arent doing their job.

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  How has your Saturday been taken away? If it's witnessing then do it Sunday morning, if you must do it at all.
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  Cuba: "Serious and decent work-seeking job"

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from 14ymedio - found in may 2014 as the first independent digital media outlet in cuba.

  http://www.14ymedio.com/nacional/trabajador-serio-decente-busca-empleo-cuba-testigos_de_jehova_0_2110588921.html.

  "trabajador serio y decente busca empleo".

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  It's a novel idea, they are using their status within their religion to gain employment. They can hardly be seen as keeping separate from the world.