The two witness rule is not wrong as such but JWs interpretation of what or who those two witnesses should consist of is wrong and is not consistent. The organization generally require that there be two witnesses but they go further in saying that they must be eyewitnesses (in most but not all cases) and credible witnesses.
The two witness rule is used by the JWs only as part of their own internal judicial system, to establish sin for disciplinary action of the one committing the sin but has a number of negative consequences.
Their own two witness rule leaves them with the dilemma of not being able to report an accusation (unless required by law) when they cannot take any action themselves. It not only looks hypocritical but allows the law of the land to trump their own laws.
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Angus Stewart pointed out at the hearing yesterday that Geoff Jackson said there may be room for circumstantial or co-oberating evidence to be considered (as a second witness), for instance, the trauma suffered by a victim. He asked if it had even been considered and since no change had been made to the two witness rule, Stewart's deduction was that Jackson was incorrect in saying that there may be a role in the first instance. The two puppets at the hearing had no idea as to whether it had been considered or not.
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Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?
by DATA-DOG inwith all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?
i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.
how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.
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ARC Case Study 54 - Witness List published for 10 March 2017
by jwleaks inhttp://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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That's up to the organisation to put those allegations forward, they are given the opportunity of having their own lawyers there to speak up. They are also given the opportunity of responding in writing to findings. They had nothing to say, so there's no need for the Government to make any decision on the matter of mocking unless the allegation is put forward to them.
You're right fisherman, it is no kangaroo court - nothing like a JW judicial committee.
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Baptism at 10 years of age! March 2017 broadcast
by stuckinarut2 in(i wanted to put this in the child abuse section of the forum!).
we have seen that during the march 2017 broadcast, m stephen lett has openly praised children who get baptised as young as 10!.
so lets summarize why it is wrong to push child baptism (not far off "infant baptism" that jws condemn other churches for).
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When they discussed those disassociating as being an adult or close to adulthood they were probably being correct. That is the absurdity of the situation.
How is an 11 year old going to dissassociate or even have the comprehension of what that is? Just imagine the reaction of the parents to say the least.
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The A.R.C. broadcast on March 10. When to watch in your time zone.
by ScenicViewer inplanning on viewing or recording the live stream of the australian royal commission's investigation of watchtower on march 10, 2017?
i believe the stream begins at 10 am aedt (australian eastern daylight time); you will need to figure out when that is in your local time zone.
here is a time zone converter.
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Do we know of anyone that will be recording it?
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My story
by victory inmy name is collins.
i am from nigeria.
i was born in the year 1997. i was raised by witness parents.
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Welcome Victory.
How are they supposed to keep the congregations clean and allow the flow of the holy Spirit if they force apostates to attend?
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QCS Telecom signs up with Allied Fiber
by StarTrekAngel ini don't recall seeing this come up after the document regarding qcs telecom.. leasing 288 miles of dark fiber is not cheap.
in fact, it borders in the crazy.. http://www.alliedfiber.com/news/press-releases/qcstelecom-signs-20-year-lease-agreement-with-allied-fiber/.
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Richard Oliver - They are transmitting large data files and they need to ensure that it is secure.
No they do not need it, it is just something they want and if you're a multi million dollar corporation it's relatively easy to get what you want .... whilst millions starve or have no clean drinking water.
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I've been awake 1 year today!
by pale.emperor init was a year ago today that my life changed completely.
i'll never forget it.
i had zero friends in the kh and was never included in the "guys" drinks, football games, parties etc.
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You've made many great contributions on this site since then pale.emperor - here's to the next year and may it only get better.
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AUSTRALIA - Petition to Cancel the Charity Status of Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks ina petition has been launched in australia to coincide with the child abuse royal commission's adverse findings against watchtower and jehovah's witnesses.
the petition is to the australian charities and not-for-profit commission to cancel their charity status.. https://www.change.org/p/australian-charities-and-not-for-profit-commission-acnc-cancel-the-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-s-charity-status.
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Thanks Darkspilver, when I'm using my tablet I am very limited in what I can do.
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Which is worse according to the GB: Child Abuse or Apostasy??
by stuckinarut2 inso we all know how the organization conducts itself regarding child abuse.
the multitude of legal cases worldwide including the current australian royal commission as well as anecdotal accounts prove their attitude.. perpetrators have not been reported to authorities, and data bases of such have been kept sealed even when demanded by the courts!.
however, when it comes to those of us who have simply left the organization due to learning the truth, the society spares no effort in spreading gossip and ensuring that one's name and reputation is ruined.. so gb, which crime is worse?
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Apostasy is a direct threat to the organization whereas child abuse is not, if it can be kept hidden.
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Does the two witness rule still stand on minor sins?
by Homer notsimpson inits been pointed out to me that two eye witnesses are always needed for elders to form a judicial case.
the sister could have sex with a brother.
she confesses and he denies, he gets off free, sure.
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Not only must there be two eye witnesses but those witnesses must be 'credible', whatever that means but I'm assuming that if two siblings were to make a claim about their father they would do nothing if they felt or came to the conclusion that they were lying.