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  Satan was abyssed circa 1914.................

  by The Fall Guy in

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  ..............according to wtbts dogma.. a catholic friend recently drew my attention to this particular topic.

  w07 1/1 pp.

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  Although it still doesn't reconcile with the scriptures you have quoted, it appears that there may be 'new light' on the timing of the resurrection of the anointed in the December, 2017 Watchtower, or at worst, a retraction from the sometime between the years 1914 and 1935.
  
  

  “Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.” Paul went on to indicate that there would be others rraised to heavenly life, adding: “Each one in his own proper order:Chris the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.”—1Cor.15:20,23. 16 That gives us a general indication of the timing of the heavenly resurrection. It would occur “during his presence.” Jehovah’s Witnesses have long established Scripturally that since 1914 we have been living during Jesus ’promised “presence.”It is still continuing,and the end of this wicked system of things is now very near. .... The first resurrection would take place sometime after “the presence”of Christ began. Anointed ones who are alive during the great tribulation will be “caught away in clouds.” (Matt. 24:31

  
  According to this, the timing of the dead anointed is now anytime from 1914 and before the living anointed get taken up during the GT.
  
  
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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  The Fall Guy - if it's in the family home, no shunning takes place.
  
  
  

  
  That's what they say in print but it happens regardless. It's a horrible experience to be shunned in the family home.
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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  Poopie, good question, this is the outline that I think you are referring to, it's in the talk "using social media wisely"
  
  

  Resolve not to view or post comments on blogs or social networks when doing so would involve you in bad associations Reject communication with apostates or disfellowshipped ones (2Jo 9-11)"

  
  As far as bad associations go, it is only a resolution but with apostates or disfellowshipped ones it is a complete rejection. There is no qualification here about family members living at home, even spouses. It is no wonder that many spouses feel they can't even live with their ex JW partner. Of course it is not in writing but when they hear things like this in public talks the seed is planted and the breakdown of the family commences.
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  Last nights CLAM meeting

  by dbq407 in

  1. watchtower
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  so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.

  so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.

  they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.

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  Their mandate to get rid of the types/antitypes teaching unless clearly indicated in scripture is not being practiced unless it is of benefit to the organization.
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  Relaxed rules toward oral sex?

  by Socrateswannabe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.

  it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.

  (song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.

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  Aren't those versus quoted relating to a period of courtship, not marriage?
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  YouTube video that you may find of interest.

  by longgone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across a youtube video published on august 11th of this year called "watchtower threw out 130 years of bad "spiritual food" with one talk" by leonard east.

  (sorry, i still haven't learned how to put up a link.).

  as i read the introduction from the publisher, i remembered that very talk and how i felt when i heard it.

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  That was the type/antitype change introduced at the Annual meeting in 2014. That's nearly three years ago now and they still have not presented a list of which types/antitypes were not biblical.
  
  If you've heard the talks before, skip to the final part of the video (about 12.18) where Leonard East makes some good observations.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8arxQYjS3A
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  Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

  by Isambard Crater in

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  that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

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  It's not even possible for them to know how many disfellowshipped persons attended any particular Convention unless they had a big D written on their forehead when the count was being taken.
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  Today's Text - How To Be A Judgemental A**hole!

  by Divergent in

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  saturday, august 19. make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others.—phil.

  1:10.. how can we train our conscience?

  key ways are by regularly and prayerfully studying the bible, meditating on what we read, and then putting into practice what we have learned.

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  Good pick-up Divergent and they are only talking about personal matters, anything else and it's fine to be completely judgemental. In that case, there's nothing wrong with pressuring him to change his decision.

  What is surprising is that it only mentions studying the Bible and meditating on what we learn. No mention of Bible aids, like the ever so important Watchtower. Although real Christians know that you can only study the Bible with Watchtower's aids.

  Pity that they forget to mention that as Christians are in the New Covenant they are given the gift of having the law written in their hearts but since it only applies to less than .1% of JWs (the anointed), I guess it's not important enough to mention.
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  Humourous reasons to go back

  by usualusername1 in

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  in my stand up comedy routine tonight i want to list humourous reasons why i shd go back to jws.. how about nobody throws parties like jws.. how about jws being at the cutting edge of fashion.. how about it being easier for men to get a date.. any ideas?.

  paul.

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  So that there's one less door the Dubs will knock on on a Saturday morning.
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  This might be my last post

  by Akid48 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my aunt hates pcs but works in a office job and uses a pc to do work she has worked there for 23 years she taking me and my brothers laptops etc and she said i have to earn it doing jw things studying listening at meetings etc.. so if it is the last time i post hear i thank you all for you have told me i wish the all of you the best life you can have.i will try to post hear this will start when im in school..

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  Listener

  Hi Akid48, I don't know where you live but often public libraries may give you free access to Computers and the internet for a limited time.
  
  Diogenesister is right in saying that getting baptized would be a big mistake.
  
  All the best.