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Today's Text - Justifying The Increase Of Annointed Ones!

by Divergent in

jw
friends

thursday, august 31. jehovah knows those who belong to him.—2 tim.

2:19.. in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christ’s death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

Listener

Using JWs logic, since the number of anointed has increased due to some being mistaken or mentally ill then CORROSPONDINGLY, the number of those with an earthly hope must include those with the wrong understanding due to being mistaken or mentally ill.

Interestingly, the lowest number of anointed in recent years is 8,524 in 2005. Since it is now over 18,000, that's a lot of people in their organisation with the wrong understanding. We can't even identify how many included in the other sheep are wrong or mistaken but since it is an issue with the anointed, the figures must be so much higher within the other sheep.

Therefore, the number of anointed should be far, far greater, unless they believe that those with mental illnesses could not possibly be called and those that mistakenly don't recognise the calling will be disregarded by Jehovah.

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Today's Text - Justifying The Increase Of Annointed Ones!

by Divergent in

jw
friends

thursday, august 31. jehovah knows those who belong to him.—2 tim.

2:19.. in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christ’s death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

Listener

Since they expect the number to decrease and it has in the past, it should concern them.

Either the number of mentally ill or those mistaken or both is increasing on their 'watch', they should be considering why this is. It would indicate that they are either attracting mentally ill people or producing them and/or failing in their spiritual instruction resulting in some misunderstanding their hope.

It may also indicate that their understanding was wrong, yet that doesn't concern them. There's not much reason to have confidence in these 7 stooges.

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Need help with a reference dealing with the Generations and SPLAINE

by ttdtt in

when originally explaining the "new generations" splaine used the example of joseph and his brothers.. he backed up the time difference between the original anointed, and the new ones by using what he said was a big age difference between the youngest "joseph" and his oldest brothers.. then more recently in a jw broadcast - he said that there was not a big age difference between joseph and his oldest brother.. can any one help me find both those, please?.

Listener

The K Flodin morning worship talk being referred to is here.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwbmw_201511_3_VIDEO

He mentions the speculative year of 2040 (around the 5.10 mark) and with all his double talk, is trying to infer that the GT will come before then.

The other speculative year of 2034 comes from 1914 plus 120 years (relating to the time of Noah) to get to 2034.

This doesn't answer ttdtt's question.

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Watchtower Society of Australia Financial reports to Charity Commission.

by doubtfull1799 in

screen capture from the watchtower society of australia's article's of association:.

i wonder how item (e) is defined and whether they actually provide any money for charitable poverty relief?

if so, i would love to see the evidence.

Listener

There's a huge reduction of unpaid volunteers from 2013 to 2016 -

They reported

700 in 2013

between 101 and 500 in 2014 (seems like they couldn't count that year)

484 in 2015

380 in 2016

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Satan was abyssed circa 1914.................

by The Fall Guy in

..............according to wtbts dogma.. a catholic friend recently drew my attention to this particular topic.

w07 1/1 pp.

27-28 pars.

Listener

Although it still doesn't reconcile with the scriptures you have quoted, it appears that there may be 'new light' on the timing of the resurrection of the anointed in the December, 2017 Watchtower, or at worst, a retraction from the sometime between the years 1914 and 1935.

“Christ has been raised from the dead, the ﬁrstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.” Paul went on to indicate that there would be others rraised to heavenly life, adding: “Each one in his own proper order:Chris the ﬁrstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.”—1Cor.15:20,23. 16 That gives us a general indication of the timing of the heavenly resurrection. It would occur “during his presence.” Jehovah’s Witnesses have long established Scripturally that since 1914 we have been living during Jesus ’promised “presence.”It is still continuing,and the end of this wicked system of things is now very near. .... The ﬁrst resurrection would take place sometime after “the presence”of Christ began. Anointed ones who are alive during the great tribulation will be “caught away in clouds.” (Matt. 24:31

According to this, the timing of the dead anointed is now anytime from 1914 and before the living anointed get taken up during the GT.

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Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

by poopie in

jw
friends

how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

Listener

The Fall Guy - if it's in the family home, no shunning takes place.

That's what they say in print but it happens regardless. It's a horrible experience to be shunned in the family home.

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Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

by poopie in

jw
friends

how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

Listener

Poopie, good question, this is the outline that I think you are referring to, it's in the talk "using social media wisely"

Resolve not to view or post comments on blogs or social networks when doing so would involve you in bad associations Reject communication with apostates or disfellowshipped ones (2Jo 9-11)"

As far as bad associations go, it is only a resolution but with apostates or disfellowshipped ones it is a complete rejection. There is no qualification here about family members living at home, even spouses. It is no wonder that many spouses feel they can't even live with their ex JW partner. Of course it is not in writing but when they hear things like this in public talks the seed is planted and the breakdown of the family commences.

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Last nights CLAM meeting

by dbq407 in

so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.

so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.

they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.

Listener

Their mandate to get rid of the types/antitypes teaching unless clearly indicated in scripture is not being practiced unless it is of benefit to the organization.

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Relaxed rules toward oral sex?

by Socrateswannabe in

these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.

it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.

(song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.

Listener

Aren't those versus quoted relating to a period of courtship, not marriage?

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YouTube video that you may find of interest.

by longgone in

i came across a youtube video published on august 11th of this year called "watchtower threw out 130 years of bad "spiritual food" with one talk" by leonard east.

(sorry, i still haven't learned how to put up a link.).

as i read the introduction from the publisher, i remembered that very talk and how i felt when i heard it.

Listener

That was the type/antitype change introduced at the Annual meeting in 2014. That's nearly three years ago now and they still have not presented a list of which types/antitypes were not biblical.

If you've heard the talks before, skip to the final part of the video (about 12.18) where Leonard East makes some good observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8arxQYjS3A