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Watchtower Inc. 100 Henry Street Links to MANY other Suspect Companies

by objectivetruth in

there have been a few posts in the past about watchtower inc. at 100 henry street, but i do not see the answer i'm hoping for.. can anyone confirm or provide details linking watchtower inc. to the wbts?

they are across the street, and one can easily assume that they are connected, but i don't see any definite links.. the closest i have come is this link: http://www.insideview.com/directory/watchtower-inc which lists watchtower.org as the website.

this could have been posted like this in error however.. according to 2014 sec filings watchtower inc. has a ceo named sholom drizin ( a man worth possibly 2 billion.).

Listener

The OT was about Watchtower Inc. not a website named watchtower.org. Do you see some relation between the two?

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R & B Soul on JW.org

by silentbuddha in

i remember getting my ass beat .

in 1987 / 1988 for listening to atlantic star.

they had a song called always.. my mother sat me down anmd told me listening to music like that would just rile up my emotions and make me look for a girl to fornicate with.. like at the age of 10 i was going to take it to that level.. my mother later banned r and b from our home.... i find it all hilarious now, but a friend of mine actually sent me a link to the jw broadcast and said i had to watch this.. i told him there was no way, but he said just start at the 50:40 mark.. i do not believe that this is what the org is doing now???.

Listener

They are spending dedicated donations on, of all things, love songs. Crikey.

Here's the lyrics -

Truly in Love

There is a gift that comes from above,
A lovely gift called being in love.
When two hearts begin to beat as one,
Then a wonderful time has begun.

It’s simple, so easy.
And it’s something we know.
With a threefold cord,
Love will grow.
With Jehovah to guide us in all that we do,
How I love to be truly in love
With someone like you,
Someone like you.

Trials will come our way,
But our love will grow stronger each day.
We will build a bond that no one can break.
We will build a love that no one will take.
No, no, no one, no.

It’s simple, so easy.
And it’s something we know.
With a threefold cord,
Love will grow.
With Jehovah to guide us in all that we do,
How I love to be truly in love
With someone like you,
Someone like you.

Nothing can destroy our love.
This precious gift is from our God up above.
Exclusive devotion
—‘love’s as strong as death.’
You are “bone of my bones”;
you are “flesh of my flesh,”
Such an excellent woman in all that you do.
I will spend all my life loving you.

I want you to know how I feel
’Cause my love for you is so very real.
I bless the day you came into my life.
I bless the day I made you my wife.
Yes I do.

It’s simple, so easy.
And it’s something we know.
With a threefold cord,
Love will grow.
With Jehovah to guide us in all that we do,
How I love to be truly in love
With someone like you,
Someone like you.

How I love to be truly in love
With someone like you.

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Personal Data Permission (Spain)

by paradiseseeker in

jw
friends

i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

Listener

This sounds like it might be a good thing for JWs wanting to leave. It could mean that all the individual needs to do is to withdraw their permission for holding private information. The Elders will not be able to access phone numbers or home addresses. The might know them already but using them in official JW business might be illegal.

I wonder if it could also mean that they cannot publicly announce you as being dfd or da'd once you've withdrawn your permission for holding personal info.

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After watching "the last man on earth" I've been thinking about the paradise

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

if you haven't seen will forte's "the last man on earth" on amazon prime, do as its really funny.

the setting of the story is that 2 years prior a virus has killed all humans except one.... amongst the high jinks are the struggles he has with things like; getting water from the water system when the areas water supply is no longer being maintained, ditto sewerage, not having ready access to fresh foods that require industry like butter and cheese, not having access to medical help, being unable to communicate with anyone outside of shouting distance, having no electricity / electronic appliances.. it's got me thinking, all the wt's illustrations show the time when armageddon is over as being really joyful and there being plenty for everyone.

but in fact that would just not be the case, especially since most jw's have no survival skills or expert knowledge of any kind.. jws just don't think about this, how are all those couples who are waiting untill the new system to have kids, going to have kids in a survival setting?

Listener

There is also the changes that would be required to the human body. What happens to that hip or leg replacement that you had done pre Armageddon? What about all those other surgically implanted bits and pieces?

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Tight pants dilemma solved

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

the principles that we glean from god’s word should move us to avoid wearing clothing that is tight-fitting, revealing, or sexually provocative.

that would rule out wearing clothing that exposes or accentuates private parts of our anatomy.

nobody should feel uncomfortable or forced to look the other way when seeing how we are dressed.

Listener

Morris the III has as good as said that he has a problem with tight pants on men. Since he's likely to be in the minority, the simple answer would be to remove his glasses.

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Brother and friends

by menrov in

so, according to wt doctrine, we are brothers, right?

so, if we are all so-called brothers, that we all have one father, right?

if we are just friends of our creator, then we are not brothers.

Listener

It's just an endearing term to make the friends feel closer to one another in the Congregations. The real reason the terms are used is to deceive the OS into a false sense of position.

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Zeb's Memorial Experience

by HiddlesWife in

jw
friends

i just saw zeb's ("i'm worldly") video entitled: "black mass mayhem" a few minutes ago.

no doubt this was what he experienced at a memorial he attended last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xz1eb63iry .

Listener

Of course the Elders have the right to kick someone out if they find them being an annoyance or threat. Who says that they don't have that right?

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Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

by AverageJoe1 in

in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

note these points in the instructions:.

Listener

11. A parent or legal guardian might refuse to sign the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data form for a publisher who is a minor. If the minor is an unbaptised publisher, no personal data should be collected for him. Nor should a Congregation’s Publisher Record card be kept for him. The report of field service activity may be collected from the minor as long as his name is not written on the report. The count of the individual and his activity may then be added to the Congregation’s Field Service Report (S-1) that is submitted to the branch office. If the minor is a baptised publisher, two elders should contact the Service Department for direction.

They can go into detail explaining what to do in regards to an unbaptised minor publisher but it requires two Elders to call the Branch in regards to a baptised minor publisher for further instructions. That's really fishy and would appear to be done so that illegal/sneaky instructions can be conveyed without having to put it in writing. I wonder if this is the same reason they call the Branch in cases of child abuse.

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Zeb's Memorial Experience

by HiddlesWife in

jw
friends

i just saw zeb's ("i'm worldly") video entitled: "black mass mayhem" a few minutes ago.

no doubt this was what he experienced at a memorial he attended last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xz1eb63iry .

Listener

If they just stuck to the Bible instead of treating the memorial as a recruiting opportunity, they are less likely to have this sort of thing happen.

The Elders are angry that their little show has been interrupted and there's nothing they can do about it until after the fact. It must be embarrassing for them as they generally see themselves with the power in the Halls. Ten men surrounding a person is harassment, fear mongering and intimidation. If the ex JWs crashing is seen as bad then the Elders reactions are worse and it is recorded on video and put into the public arena.

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July 2018 WT points

by The Fall Guy in

page 16, par.

18 carefully follow the latest directions.. do we faithfully follow the latest directions that jehovah has given us?

if so, we will not rely on always doing things the way we have done them in the past.

Listener

The claim that new direction comes from Jehovah is incredible, how can these guys sleep at night?