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WOODSTOCK

by lastmanstanding in

it’s starting to filter in, the truth about why the grumpy buzzards wanted to move to warwick.

lol.

they are unhappy that their best time in life was moved to bethel and are hoping to relive woodstock in the place it should have been 49 years ago next month.

Listener

I can’t wait till next year, for the 50th year jubilee of Woodstock, and whatever the Gasfilled Balloons conjors up to mark the event.

Maybe they should ask to play their cart song.

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But it's not about the Money

by LevelThePlayingField in

money was the motivator.. .

money.

again, money was the motivator.. .

Listener

You're very much on the same thought line as Eric Wilson's latest article on Beroean Pickets. He's included short clips from the Watchtower.

http://beroeans.net/2018/06/30/identifying-true-worship-part-11-the-unrighteous-riches/

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Banners for London Protest

by Farmer Jim1 in

jw
friends

hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

has anyone got any ideas for more?.

Listener

A picture of Morris with

"Tight Pants Tony, what phobia will he next impose on you?"

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Something that really ticked me off about seeing the video of New Head Quarters of J.W.s (Warwick)

by StoneWall in

jw
friends

when i was a jw it was always emphasized that we should trust in jehovah completely.

jah will protect his people do not trust in man, throw your burdens upon jehovah etc.ok now if that's true wouldn't it mean that if jehovah was going to protect anywhere it should be his world head quarters right?.

we were told to not trust in ourselves (such as guns,walls for defense and protection) but to leave it in jehovah's hands and he would provide a means for escape etc.so as i'm watching some pro-wt vid's about the facilities in warwick i noticed something they didn't show on them or focus on and only reason i know about it was because of the w5 newscast as well as the vids the protesters shared.they conveniently leave out the parts of them putting walls/fences and gates as well as a "guard shack" at entrance instead of relying on jehovah to protect them.the guard house even has a "no trespassing" sign in the window.

Listener

So much for keeping their lives simple.

They even have their own fire engine at Warwick.

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The biggest news of the year for Mr. and Mrs. Totally ADD

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

this is bigger than christmas and birthdays wrap into one.

thanks to the australian royal commission our youngest son has woke up.

we received a e-mail from him tonight where he apologized to us for shunning us all these years, how bad he felt for doing this.

Listener

That's wonderful news, I'm happy for you both.

Thank you to all those that participated in the ARC, either by opening up to their own stories, emailing, phoning or writing to the Commission.

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Olin Moyle

by Vincent Law in

olin moyle was a attorney for the wtbts during joseph rutherford reign.

his papers from wtbts are still at princeton in the rare books section and boxed up.

what is the likely hood that that there was political entanglement and that politics did not keep wtbts at arm's length but from time to time has used the wtbts for it's purposes.

Listener

Are you talking about books or papers and what are they doing in Princeton?

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Watch Tower History

by vienne in

we've posted updated and new research on our history blog.

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/temporary-post.html.

this is rough draft material for a chapter in vol.

Listener

It seems to me that there is a lot of discussion about what Russel was teaching but much of it is left out. In particular, what he was professing would soon occur and the dates he put forward. Much of the focus is on his teachings which do have a lot of Biblical backing for them but little or no discussion on his false teachings. For instance, what exactly was this upcoming 'gospel age' that he was advocating and did he set a date for this or for Armageddon?

As side issues, this presents us with interesting fare. The tracts were free, paid for primarily out of Russell’s pocket and secondarily by contributions to the Tract Fund. The modern Watchtower Society declined to allow us access to the ledger book from this period, which still exists. We do not know why.

Do you have any proof that the tracts were primarily paid for from Russell's pocket primarily? This is especially in view of the fact that you admit to not having access to the ledgers of that time.

It is possible that what was printed in publications about the funding at that time was deceptive, just as the current Watchtower is today. So much discussion is made about the free tracts and little on the publications/bibles he sold.

The tracts served the purpose of advertising and it was through them that individuals were encouraged to purchase more substantial publications.

But in terms of income levels in the 1880s, an immense amount of money was expended to provide evangelizers with free tracts. This gives the lie to the claims of some former-adherents that the Watch Tower was founded by Russell as a money making scheme. It was a money-losing proposition

The fact that the tracts were distributed at no cost in no way proves that Russell was not establishing a money making scheme. In many businesses you've got to create a market who is ready and willing to part with their money for more of your products. Many businessmen expect a loss in the initial years in order to reap profits in the following years. There are various methods that businesses use to encourage people to purchase their products. Providing free samples or advertising in brochures are just two, both methods being used by Russell and who knows what else because there is little discussion about this.

His venture into his Photo-Drama of Creation was another innovative project which he was prepared to gamble on.

The message of God’s Love contrasted with the message of fear preached in Christendom. In Russell’s view God would save the bulk of humanity, in what some call “near-universal salvation.”

I cannot see any substantiation regarding the claim that his message did not include a measure of fear, just as Christendom's does. If the idea is that more humans would be saved under Russell's idea's than under Christendoms, this doesn't mean you can claim there was no fear being taught through his doctrines. To also claim that all of Christendom were preaching fear is not proven and may well be false.

His passion for individual and public testimony shows through despite his questionable punctuation and grammar. And to his readership it was the passion that mattered. They saw it as founded on Biblical “truth.”

I find this comment intriguing. It would have been more correct to claim "His passion for individual and public testimony shows through despite his questionable teachings of Biblical 'truth'." And then you follow on with a significant comment in saying that it was his passion that mattered to his readers. That seems to be very much the case because his teachings could not hold water on their own.

In conclusion, I find the blog very biased and it seems that the writer has been moved by his passion.

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Whack-a-postate

by Fay Dehr in

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it seems that i played this game and suffered a hit.....

Listener

Thanks for uploading those video's that you did.

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"This Good news Of The Kingdom Will Be Preached In All The Inhabited Earth" ........

by smiddy3 in

..".for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come" .matt.24:14.. the religion of jehovah`s witnesses kid themselves into thinking they are filling or have fulfilled this prophecy/scripture .. given that you take the jehovah`s witnesses and the international bible students association as one and the same religion , then they have been preaching their message primarily within lands that are predominantly christian based.....and certainly do not cover "all the inhabited earth " as their are many populous non christian nations nations that do not allow, even forbid any proselytizing in their lands.

i would estimate about one third of the current world population.. but that is not all .. given that you take the jehovah`s witnesses and the international bible students association as one and the same religion ,then they have about 140 years of preaching their beliefs to the public specifically to preach "this good news of the kingdom " as they claim to do in obedience to j.c.commands at matt.24:14.. take a survey no matter where you live on this planet earth of the people in your locality and if you asked them "what was the message jehovah`s witnesses left you and no one would be able to say "they told me about and explained to me the good news of the kingdom" and what it would mean to me.. no one would be able to say that .after 140 years of preaching and witnessing by what is now 8 million plus jehovah`s witnesses .. what a waste of time and energy and lives .. after 140 years of preaching what do the public know about jehovah`s witnesses ?.

they don`t take blood transfusions .

Listener

For decades it was less about preaching the good news and more about pushing a particular product offer. It was usually the current Watchtower and Awake but sometimes it was a brochure or booklet.

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Ectopic pregnancy

by Whynot in

ectopic pregnancies, when detected, are usually treated by surgically removing them.

i always understood that this procedure was ok for jehovah's witnesses.

but the subject came up during pioneer school.

Listener

There is this from the Dec 2017 Watchtower

Christians would not choose to terminate a life that in time would normally result in the birth of another human being. (Ex. 20:13;21:22, 23; Ps. 139:16; Jer. 1:5)

I wonder if he has ever held a JC over the matter.