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  Australia Yahoo news

  by gabcol in

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  2. medical

  i just found this on yahoo news australia : .

  a jehovah’s witness girl may be forced to receive a blood transfusion against her will this weekend when she gives birth in melbourne.. mercy hospital victoria was granted supreme court authority on friday to give the girl blood as a “last resort” if she suffers a postpartum haemorrhage when induced into labour on sunday afternoon.

  the 17-year-old first-time mother is considered to be at increased risk of haemorrhaging because she is of “small stature” and the baby is large, meaning she may have a long labour, an assisted birth or an emergency caesarean.. jehovah’s witnesses forbid followers from receiving blood transfusions or blood products.. the risk to the baby from the mother refusing blood is considered low.. view photos.

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  She was scheduled to be induced yesterday. I wonder if the parents moved her to another hospital or went through with the procedure.
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  Judge Rules on Blood Issue

  by moreconfusedthanever in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/judge-rules-against-pregnant-teen-who-wanted-to-refuse-blood-at-birth-20180831-p5012k.html.

  this article has come up in my newsfeed on facebook today.

  it was posted by a non witness midwife who is up in arms about the girl not being able to choose her own course of treatment in pregnancy.

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  Solzhenitsyn you're wife is demonstrating that she is choosing to follow the eight men in New York rather than the Bible.
  
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  shameless pride in my daughter in law

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  she is two weeks postpartum after having my granddaughter when she sang this .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rulm5zl-isa.

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  I can see why you're so proud, that was a joy to listen to and watch.
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  Dec 2018 Watchtower Third Heaven & Paradise

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a qfr in the watchtower asks ".

  n what sense was the apostle paul “caught away to the third heaven” and “into paradise”?​—2 cor.

  they've been flip flopping regarding this, stating that it is paul talking about himself to paul talking about the congregation and back again to paul talking about himself.it appears that three years ago david splane gave a talk during the convention explaining their latest ideas and it has taken all this time for it to get into print.

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  A QFR in the Watchtower asks "

  n what sense was the apostle Paul “caught away to the third heaven” and “into paradise”?​—2 Cor. 12:2-4."

  They've been flip flopping regarding this, stating that it is Paul talking about himself to Paul talking about the congregation and back again to Paul talking about himself.
  
  It appears that three years ago David Splane gave a talk during the convention explaining their latest ideas and it has taken all this time for it to get into print.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/280814/new-light-3rd-heaven

  In summary the article states

  To summarize:
  “The third heaven” mentioned at 2 Corinthians 12:2 is likely the Messianic Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ and the 144,000, the “new heavens.”​—2 Pet. 3:13.
  It is “the third heaven” because the Kingdom is a superlative, an elevated, form of rulership.
  The “paradise” into which Paul was “caught away” in vision likely refers to (1) the physical Paradise to come on earth, (2) the spiritual paradise that will exist then, which will be more extensive than the spiritual paradise that exists now, and (3) “the paradise of God” in heaven that will coexist in the new world.
  Accordingly, the new world will be a combination of the new heavens and the new earth. It will be a new arrangement, including both the heavenly Kingdom government and mankind serving Jehovah on a paradise earth.

  They are not sure what it means but since the word 'third' is used they think the paradise that is referenced in the scripture has three meanings.
  
  EdenOne also made a comment about this new light that was introduced at the Convention four years ago and his records show a different idea to the threefold meaning of heaven than mentioned in the current Watchtower. Which means they've tweaked their own ideas since. He said -

  
  

  The Bethel speaker then explained that the "paradise" seen by Paul is a three-fold reallity: a) A paradise in heavens that will be the reward for the 144.000 anointed christians; b) the present "spiritual paradise" among Jehovah's people; c) the future paradise on earth. He repeated this twice for good measure.

  
  
  
  
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  The disfellowshipping of JWdoctrine

  by jwdoctrine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been a long way coming.

  after 49 years as a jehovah's witness 3 of which in prison as a conscientious objector under very harsh conditions i have finally disassociated myself.

  for the past 2 years, i have been partaking from the emblems and that led to an intense persecution, harassment, online stalking and defamation of character.

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  Thank you for recording your JC and sharing it with us.

  Regarding doctrine that you share with the Elders I hadn't considered before that they teach that the Alpha and Omega, Jesus, had no existence for three and a half days.
  
  The Elders got themselves tied up with what the actual transgression was. Initially they said it was sharing teachings with Brothers/the congregation that was not biblical, then it changed to teachings or the truth taught by the organization. It then became JW contra teachings or doubts shared publicly. They claim that you are a cause of stumbling to the congregation. It then proceeds to a warning that you shouldn't be on public media discussing spiritual things as it would be dangerous for you.
  
  The funny thing is that they ask you how you know that you are discussing matters with JWs when you're on social media. Well what are they charging you with? It can't be causing divisions as they didn't seem convinced that you were even talking to JWs.
  
  One Elder then promises you that if you repented there and then, he would be happy to go out witnessing with you the very next day. For a group of Elders that say they follow organisational rule this is not how a JC operates. However, I can see how that would turn out. Had you said you were repentant and would do or not do certain things, I can see the Elders discussing the matter together and deciding that you aren't repentant and df anyway.
  
  Regarding the cyber stalking, it would seem as if you hit a chord with them, especially since you brought up some biblical examples and is probably the reason why they weren't going to df if you co-operated with them.
  
  It was quite an extraordinary JC. It was sad to hear the extent that they have gone to to make your life a misery.
  
  I will be interested to hear what Stuckinarut has to say regarding the cyber stalking since he had a small incident that he mentioned a few days ago. It's real and you're right, if they keep attacking JWs for things posted on social media they will self destruct (albeit slowly). The GB has to accept that if they're going to come out and say that they are not perfect or infallible then some leeway must be given to JWs in expressing doubts or different thoughts.
  
  They acknowledged that you are an intelligent person, more clever than they are. However, due to their uncompromising policies of expecting perfection from followers all they will be left with in their organization are people who are more interested in the social aspects rather than the educational aspects. If they are going to have witch hunts and subject followers to court judicials then the future will only continue to look bad for them.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Morphs law

  by _Morpheus in

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  2. entertainment

  regarding morphs laws and its simple expression: its a direct parallel to godwins law on internet debates.

  goodwins law states:.

  as an online discussion grows longer, the greater the probability of a comparison involving hitler approaches.

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  Now you're creating your own little cult as demonstrated by you creating your own laws.
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  Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

  wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

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  Anders Anderson found a copy of it on the ARC website.
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  Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

  wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

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  These men are sick to their core. He claims that letters may be given to the Commission before they get the chance to do it. He accuses the leaking of letters as being done by apostate opposers.

  The thing is, there were a number of abuse victims that were helping the Commission, yet O'Brien has disgustingly labelled them as apostate opposers.

  There is no helping this sick organization.
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  Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

  wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

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  It looks genuine to me but the question is, how did such a sensitive document get leaked?
  
  This wouldn't be a letter, it would have to be an email and that's why there's no letter head.
  
  Notice the dates -

  O'Brien, head of the Australasia Branch Committee sent it to NY on 27th July, 2016

  NY Co-ordinators committee responded on the 3rd and 4th August, 2016
  
  A letter and response by mail would not be so quick.
  
  
  
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  Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

  wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

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  The attitude is appalling and in no way reflects a loving and caring organization.
  
  Terry O'Brien was making a plea to the GB/HQ to help make it appear that they were co-operating with the Commission. He was offering his opinion but had to make it clear that regardless of whether he was right or not, he would accept any commands from HQ. He did not even attempt to put forward suggestions as to how they could further improve the organizations policies in dealing with child abuse accusations.