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  Secret documents from WHQ: JWs do everything to avoid reporting CSA

  by jochie in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbnspvradui have seen the documents myself but i am not able to share them without jeopardizing the source.the rtl broadcasting company has spoken to the orginal source and we know that these documents are real..

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  Imagine any country putting laws in place so that when a victim comes forward to religious leaders the abuser is protected but this is exactly what the Watchtower is trying to claim.
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  Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Listener in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.

  there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.

  i may get outed but that's no loss.

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  Regarding the posters comment -
  
  

  Also King of the North enters into the land of decoration which we have long maintained is our spiritual paradise.

  
  I found this regarding the 'holy mountain of decoration' -
  
  

  Daniel 11:40-45
  40“In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing,* and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood. 41 He will also enter into the land of the Decoration,*+ and many lands will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand: Eʹdom and Moʹab and the main part of the Amʹmon·ites. He will also enter into the land of the Decoration,*+ and many lands will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand: Eʹdom and Moʹab and the main part of the Amʹmon·ites. 42 And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not escape. And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not escape. 43 And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable* things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.*And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable* things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.*44 “But reports out of the east* and out of the north will disturb him, and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his royal*tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration;*+ and he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.And he will plant his royal*tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration;*+ and he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.

  Watchtower 87 7/1
  16 These final days are especially difficult for God’s people, who during this century have been persecuted by both kings. The angel warned that the king of the north “will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many lands that will be made to stumble.” “The land of the Decoration” is symbolically the land of God’s people. The angel’s words must mean, then, that as well as conquering many nations, the king of the north attacks the spiritual estate of Jehovah’s people. (Daniel 8:9; 11:41-44;Ezekiel 20:6) In Dan 11 verse 45, the prophecy adds: “And he will plant his palatial tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration.” In other words, he positions himself to make a final assault against their spiritual paradise....Since this attack, like that of the king of the north, takes place in the final part of the days, it is reasonable to conclude that the king of the north’s ‘planting of his palatial tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration’ is in support of Gog’s attack. (Daniel 11:40, 45)
  

  
  
  
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  Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.

  there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.

  i may get outed but that's no loss.

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  The New World (1942) p 324
  

  "The king of the north" "included the Central Powers, or imperial Germany, Roman-Catholic Austria-Hungary, Roman Catholic Italy and Vatican…Japan…"

  
  W 60 2/15

  With the defeat of the Nazi-Fascist Axis powers in 1945 the Communist government of Russia stepped into the role of the “king of the north,” foretold in Daniel’s prophecy, chapter 11.

  W 81 7/15
  

  Since the modern “king of the north” is the Communist bloc, led by the Soviet Union, the “king of the south” can be none other than the rival non-Communist bloc, under the leadership of the United States.

  W93 11/1

  So who is the king of the north now? Is he to be identified with one of the countries that were part of the old Soviet Union? Or is he changing identitycompletely, as he has a number of times before? We cannot say. Who will be the king of the north when Daniel 11:44, 45 is fulfilled?
  

  
  W15 5/15
  

  As keen students of God’s Word, we wait with eager anticipation to see who in the near future will assume the role of “the king of the north.”
  

  
  From what I can gather, they have said that the KON's identity keeps changing.
  
  
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  Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.

  there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.

  i may get outed but that's no loss.

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  It doesn't say whether it is the poster that makes the conclusion that the identity of the KON has virtually not changed or whether that was a comment made by Morris III but due to the detail, it may be Morris'. Given that there was a time when they decided it wasn't the USSR and didn't know who it was, it's not only a demonstration of their flip flopping but that they are just guessing.
  
  

  Whether it is fake news or not regarding Russia being involved in Cyber attacks, the GB believes it. So much for easily being swayed by the media. Do they have evidence or are they simply willing to believe in news reports? By making this claim, without evidence, they are involving themselves in politics and cannot claim to be either neutral or taking heed of their own instructions by not discussing these types of things.
  
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  Possible leak from Annual Meeting 2018

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm a member on jw talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the annual meeting.

  there hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made.

  i may get outed but that's no loss.

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  I'm a member on JW Talk (until now at least) and have been regularly checking up on their thread regarding the Annual Meeting. There hasn't been a great deal to report on except for this recent post that has been made. I may get outed but that's no loss. The post sounds pretty credible and comes from someone who says they heard it live.

  Brother Morris identified the King of the North as Russia and it's allies. The identity has not changed as the Soviet Union was dissolved but now many of these former satellite states are now independent but follow Russia's lead. So the King of the North is now Russia and its allies. The GB prayed long about this decision but came to the conclusion that the pushing between the King of the North and South, like during the cold war, is today fulfilled in Cyber attacks, occupation of the Crimea peninsula which resulted in trade sanctions and trade wars, largest military exercise of Russia and it's allies. Also the King of the North leads in persecuting the witnesses like Nazi Germany who was then the King of the North. Also King of the North enters into the land of decoration which we have long maintained is our spiritual paradise. In Russia on an unprecedented scale properties were confiscated and brothers were arrested. The NWT is an extremist piece of literature and anyone possessing it is labeled an extremist. We can not say when the GT will start Governments don't have the plans yet but Jehovah will put it into their hearts. However, the actions of the King of the North and South precede the GT and when BTG has been destroyed a period of time will be here when we can say "This is It" our deliverance is near because the attack on God's people is imminent.

  
  Brother Sanderson further discussed these 4 points:
  1. Follow Directions and be obedient.
  2. Don't panic. Don't ban yourself. (21 brothers arrested but thousands are not).
  3. Protect your spiritual food
  4. Love one another intensely from the heart. Stand with our brothers.
  
  I guess the comment about hiding literature is based on point 3 protect your spiritual food which is much more then just hiding some literature. Often during these talks you get sometimes comments by the speakers that bring smiles and laughter. Brother Morrison is known for that as he started his talk with a comment about brother Let who was chairman that was funny which I am sure will not appear in print. Just like at a past annual meting the banter between brother Herd and Jackson when after brother Jackson's talk brother Herd said "I used to give talks like this" with brother Morrison next speaker saying "I remember those talks and wish you would still give them". The following year brother Jackson was chairman and made a comment after brother Herd's talk that evoked laughter and he followed it up with the statement "I waited a whole year for this moment". None of this appeared in print. So when the clear direction is to hide your literature is conveyed, then be obedient and follow direction, otherwise it is up to each individual one of us to protect our spiritual food just like we wood safeguard physical food. In the meantime the GB can assume that the listening audience in the auditorium have decades of faithful service and can make the distinction between what is a lighthearted comment and what is a serious announcement that could become policy or spiritual food.
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  JW detained in Putin's Russia ... accused of extremism

  by mikeflood in

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  2. current

  from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".

  the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.

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  we are sold the story of JWs concealing "a landmine and 2 hand grenades"

  If true, I wonder where they would have obtained them?
  
  
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  Have you seen this appalling new Caleb and Sophia video??

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this manipulative new caleb and sophia video has got me so angry!!.

  the level of cultiness has just gone to a whole new level!.

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/make-jehovah-god-happy/.

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  I don't get why they depicted the one and only Satan as being a man with magical powers, more manipulation I guess.

  Then there was Jesus shown jumping off the wall, doing what Satan suggested. It wasn't until later that it became clearer that this didn't actually happen but how are young kids able to determine that? It wasn't clear as to whether this scene was some sort of pretence or someone's imagination or wishful thinking. Whatever it was, it wasn't even clear as to which person, Jesus or Satan, these thoughts were coming from.
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  John Ceder used my satire about annual meeting for real

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  sorry guys,.

  the gorby satire fake report of the annual meeting with the coincidence about russia, is used for real in john cedars yt channel.. please concider it for well prepared satire.. and not much more.. g..

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  It was interesting to see how the titles change slightly, Chinese whispers style.

  I think one of them changed to paradise heaven instead of Gorby's original paradise earth.

  This has been hilarious but on a serious note, the org's new releases (incl. their Ezekial book) are more ridiculous and sadly, millions take them seriously.

  Here we once again see why we need to check our sources, let alone, use common sense in determining whether something is credible and JWs fail dismally at this.
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  Annual meeting - live

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  opening prayer and welcome br ciranco .

  babylon the great has fallen - how?

  br robert wallen.

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  This has had people on ex JW Reddit believing Gorby's summary to be correct and Lloyd has recently just uploaded his review of the Annual Meeting. He's based it on Gorby's summary schedule.
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  At least 2 of current Governing body are not honest about even their names.

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many don't know that at least 2 of current governing body are not honest about even their name.

  mark sanderson is actually douglas mark sanderson.

  stephen lett is mark stephen lett .

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  This is in the January 2019 Watchtower

  The Governing Body now consists of eight anointed brothers:

  K. E. Cook, Jr.; S. F. Herd; G. W. Jackson; M. S. Lett; G. Lösch; A. Morris III; D. M. Sanderson; D. H. Splane

  Whats strange is Tight Pants Tony's name. According to this he has no middle name. It's as if his whole name is fictitious. Although some people have tried to research his background and can't find anything, even a listing of his service in the military.