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  Watchtower Trolleys With Added Bling

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife and i were in edinburgh on saturday (did a ghost tour) and around dusk we passed two trolleys on the high street — aka 'the royal mile' — that both had two rows of led lights under the little shelves.

  has anybody else seen this or is it a local innovation?

  i'm happy to report their pimped-up trolleys were attracting no attention as usual.

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  John.prestor, they sure love their coffee. It's a wonder that they don't have pull out cup holders on their trolleys, better yet, they could have a coffee machine added. A coffee grinder would go a long way to bring attention to themselves with all that racket going on.
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  Smiddys wedding anniversary

  by smiddy3 in

  1. social
  2. family

  today feb.18 2019 is the smiddy`s 58th wedding anniversary..

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  That's wonderful Smiddy3 that you have been together with the love of your life for 58 years.
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  Beautiful Circularity

  by Euphemism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just ran across this beautiful example of circular reasoning from the watchtower.w85 12/1 31. .

  questions from readers.

  was the apostle paul part of the christian governing body?.

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  His inspired writings show that Paul sometimes settled issues himself. That is as might be expected back then with one of the governing body who was far away from the central body and faced with slow means of communication.

  
  Either the so called Governing Body work together or act independently of each other, the GB want it both ways.
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  ''Special Letter'' to be Read In Canada Week of Feb 3,2019

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have just been informed that there is a 'special letter' to be read at the meetings week of feb 3,2019 in canada.

  anybody heard of this!!

  just a heads-up!

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  Thanks for the update acluetofindtheuser.
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  Great Announcement

  by Tiana in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  am a newcomer.

  had a starnge metting in local news last night.. check it out.

  actual info starts at 50;12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plxdjs13l0k.

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  @51.41 he says "you've heard it a thousand times"
  
  Enough said.
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  2018 BRANCH ORGANIZATION Manuel Says The members of the Governing Body do not regard themselves as the leaders of Jehovah's people.

  by Fabian in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to atlantis, this statement is mentioned on chapter 1 paragraph 1 in the middle.

  but i like how the statement says members but the sentence right before has the governing body dudes in a collective whole like voltron here is the paragraph in whole.

  1. governing body: the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is made up of brothers who are anointed servants of jehovah god.

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  Great pick up Fabian.

  With your first point, this supports how they view themselves. As individual GB members, they consider themselves to be 'domestics' like all other JWs and being instructed by the FDS. As a collective group of GB members coming together, they form the FDS. They do not state that the FDS is not the leader.

  As for the term 'Governing Body', a Government has all authority in regards to leadership.
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  2018 Branch Organization Manual!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just in case anybody needed this.. 2018 branch organization manual.

  https://we.tl/t-vya6lknwtn.

  atlantis!.

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  Your amazing Atlantis. 🏋🏻🏆
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  Active JW's - Does None of This Bother You?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thanks to atlantis and his sources, we are able to examine material from the alleged "faithful slave" which is intended only for the eyes of the shepherds wolves in the congregation.. information needed for visit of circuit overseer .

  all congregation accounts records covering the period since the last visit, which would include any bankbook being used and the records for any additional accounts being kept by the congregation.

  (do you have excess money which should have been given to us?).

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  It is unbelievable that they need a circuit overseer to audit every congregations books that he visits. There is no bible principle to establish such a focus on materialism. The org. does not trust the Elders in financial matters so why are they trusting them in much more life altering situations? Why doesn't the CO, at the very least, review JCs?
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  2019 Elders Manual and a Whole Lot More!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  single zipped folderhttps://we.tl/t-uiqj87wimd.

  2019-02-02-musical preludeshttps://we.tl/t-zyfpnodizd.

  s-21-e congregation's publisher record (2018-12).pdfhttps://we.tl/t-i9qamx3s0q.

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  Thanks Atlantis, much appreciated.
  
  Here are some thoughts on some of the rulings found in the Shepherding Book. In many instances they continue to list a number of questions that the Elders should consider but don't even explain why they should consider those things. My guess is that examples are given at the special Elder schools and they list those in their books. This makes it seem like the organization is not so dogmatic.
  
  Their appears to be a change in attitude about Elder's children living at home, this includes adult children.
  
  

  If a brother’s wife or child, including an adult child living in his home, is involved in serious wrongdoing, the body should seek to determine whether the brother was negligent...Allows Disfellowshipped or Disassociated Family Member to Move Into His Home:...Similar questions should be considered when an adult child living at home is disfellowshipped or disassociated and allowed to remain in the home.

  
  No review is required as to why an Elder would continue to allow his son or daughter who is not yet an adult to live at home, it is only required when an child who is not an adult and wants to move back into the home. This is a big change and would suggest that there is no direction from the organization that a non adult child should be kicked out, even by an Elder.
  
  

  31...Elders do not generally involve themselves in what an individual does with regard to petty gambling solely for entertainment. However, if such petty gambling affects his spirituality or becomes a cause of stumbling for others, counsel should be given.

  
  It looks like this is new too. It's okay to gamble as long as it is for entertainment purposes. That weekly scratchie is a go, but you are not allowed to sell them, even as an employee.
  
  Included is a new example of when two witnesses are not required in a situation.
  
  

  An exception may be made, however, if the unbeliever privately makes an unambiguous confession of adultery to the Christian mate. In such a case, if the innocent Christian mate believes that the confession is true and does not wish to reconcile, he can submit a letter to the elders outlining his situation...If there is no known reason to conclude otherwise, the innocent mate can be allowed to take responsibility before Jehovah for obtaining a Scriptural divorce; if he remarries, no judicial action will be taken.

  
  There also appears to be some new circumstances in which a adulterer can seek remarriage. The Elders can determine that the innocent mate demonstrates their rejection of the adulterer and includes -
  
  

  76.2 The innocent mate signs a divorce decree or in some other way indicates he does not object to a divorce initiated by the guilty mate, either before or after learning of the adultery.
  76.3 Though verbally expressing forgiveness and not seeking a divorce, the innocent mate refuses to resume sexual relations for a very prolonged period of time, a year or even years.

  
  Both these rulings are interesting. In point No. 2 if the innocent party has indicated that they were agreeable to a divorce without even knowing their partner committed adultery the adulterer is free to remarry. This means that the adulterer is given a lot of power in the situation and does not allow for a change of mind from the innocent party.
  
  Point No. 3 also hands over power to the adulterer.
  
  There are many marriages where sex is withheld and for lesser reasons than the other mate having cheated, yet there is no freedom there for remarriage. This ruling is an injustice to them. The adulterer could continue to make life just that little bit unpleasant for the partner that desire for sexual relations is impossible to resume. I can imagine a situation that an innocent partner with children and very dependent on the adulterer is willing to forgive but is made to feel ugly/unwanted/undesirable and having sex can feel like a complete violation of their own body.

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  Theramin Trees Video Re: Royal Commission

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you haven’t seen these two videos yet, you need to.

  absolutely outstanding work by theramin trees explaining and breaking down the arc:.

  https://youtu.be/tsvjmlg_sam.

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  Applewhite isn't even a JW, according to them, she's under the influence of Satan. If it fits their agenda, they'll do whatever they want and then scratch their heads when it backfires.