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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

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  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  Things have been going well Winston, thanks.

  I have one family member that has 'faded' and is more happier than ever. You just never know who will eventually wake up, there is always hope and it's nice being there to be of some support.
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  The New Diary of Winston Smith

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

  fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

  i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

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  That's fantastic Winston, what a nice surprise.

  I'll check out your link, thanks.
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  I can just imagine the hype that is going on in Australia about how close armageddon is now with all of these bushfires occurring.

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
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  it brings to mind my niece when she see`s how dry the countryside is ,how armageddon must be so close..

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  The Greens have never had the majority vote in Government on mainland Australia, I can't see how they can be blamed for final decisions the ruling Government chooses to make.

  There is a lot to be learnt from this. New ways of dealing with the threat of fires and the fires themselves will be important.

  There is so much suffering that comes from this and it the repercussions will be felt for some time. There is also a lot of coming together and supporting each other.

  Our firefighters and volunteer firefighters are true hero's.
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  Annual Meeting 2019 - part one

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw.org organization looks every passing day more and more like a building firm made in usa:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/studiofeatured/pub-jwb_202001_1_video.

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  They also claimed, on this video, that they spent nearly $50,000,000 on relief work over the last two years. They didn't go into very much detail as to a breakdown of this spending but they did include approximately 700 Kingdom Halls which had been destroyed or damaged.

  Do you believe that they call repairing or rebuilding their own buildings as relief workers?

  I wouldn't be surprised if they also called payments to child abuse victims, relief work.
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  Annual Meeting 2019 - part one

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw.org organization looks every passing day more and more like a building firm made in usa:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/studiofeatured/pub-jwb_202001_1_video.

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  In the video we hear how Jehovah has performed miracle after miracle after miracle when it comes to buying land, building properties and getting licences.

  In the speech that Loesch gave, he goes through some of the history of the Watchtower organization. He said that Rutherford saw himself as the leader of the organization but in 1942 he declared that he wasn't the leader but just taking the lead, as the bible says.

  I don't know why Loasch admitted to this, maybe there will be new light and they will throw out all the false teachings introduced by Rutherford whilst he was acting as leader in the place of Christ, I doubt it though. But this was why many left the organization and to this day the GB talk about those ones as being unfaithful.
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  Summary of 2019 report submitted by Jehovah`s Witnesses

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  australia | jehovah’s witnesses annual reports to the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse.

  summary of 2019 report submitted by jehovah's witnesses.

  762 congregations of jehovah's witnesses in australia.

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  It is the Scriptural responsibility of congregation elders to determine whether the alleged perpetrator should remain one of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  
  They've written the report identifying the idea that this is the only reason their religion holds a JC. It's pretty pathetic when they don't acknowledge that they have any other responsibilities when they hear claims of child abuse
  
  They know publicly acknowledge that child abuse is a crime and all they are concerned about is whether an abuser is allowed to remain a Jehovah's Witness or not.
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  Hats Off To Simon

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  huge round of applause for simon (not every hero wears a cape).

  this is to say a huge big thank you,tons of appreciation and gratitude from me for simon for toiling away on his own dime for 20 years or so and keeping this site up and running .

  surely this site has helped tons of jdumbs n exjdumbs in their search for ttatt and freedom.

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  Thanks Simon for all your work that you put into this site. It is much appreciated.

  This is my go to site when I want to research something to do with the JWs.
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  147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

  i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

  then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

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  It's a long talk to transcribe but it might be worth transcribing the lot because of all the nonsense he says.
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  147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

  i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

  then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

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  Immediately after discussing their 'wrong expectations' Loesch states the following
  
  

  Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith - God's promises

  
  I would think setting failed dates, being deceitful and at the very least, being disappointed with the FDS would be a valid reason for being shaken in the faith, the JW religion.
  
  Having faith in God's promises do not require Christians to accept an organization such as this. In fact, the bible admonishes us not to.

  rather, AS A CONSEQUENCE, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the scriptures regarding this matter of the day of judgement

  
  As a consequence, all JWs should be moved to make a closer examinations of the JW organization and their teachings that they claim are based on the scriptures and which they are required to accept and teach others or face shunning.
  
  

  In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date, what is important is keeping ever in mind that there is such a day and it's getting closer and will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.

  
  The organization has focused on dates and it was important therefore the organization has been misleading them as to what their real focus should be.
  
  

  There's a good reason to remain in expectation, Jesus told us to do so. In this regard Jehovah's organization has set an example, although sometimes promoting wrong expectations our publications have consistently exhorted us to wait and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah and to fix our hopes in God's new world.

  
  He humbly claims that they have set an example even though they sometimes have not. Of course the publications have said to wait and keep Armageddon in mind, you fool, because it hasn't happened yet.
  
  He then proceeds to talk about 1914 and the last days.
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  147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during gerrit loesch's talk just released, he goes on a long list of the false end times predictions throughout the millennia.

  i didn't expect it, but then he goes into the precursors to the bible students who, when their dates failed, changed christ's presence to have happened 'invisibly'.

  then it goes right into the jws, and he reads the quote from millions now living will never die about how we can 'confidently expect' the resurrection in 1925, and then the life everlasting book that predicted 1975. of course, he doesn't say how it's still going on, namely with the overlapping generation and its' accompanying convoluted chart, but still, this is more than they've ever said on the subject, especially recently.. it almost sounds like a forced statement, to address any backlash from people reading 'apostate lies' online, because he also says how the gb 'humbly' admitted mistakes, referencing the non-apology after 1975 that disturbed raymond franz.

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  Here's a link to a copied version on Youtube. It's a little easier to watch it there as you have the abilbity to speed it up which you can't do on JW org.

  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz-q3YI5d88
  
  

  At around the 13 minute mark he starts talking about the wrong expectations that Brothers had about 1975 and quotes from a Watchtower. In part Loesch says

  "'statements made then and thereafter that this was only a poss-i-bil-ity, unfortunately, however' says the Watchtower 'along with such cautionary information there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more a probability than a mere possibility, it is to be regretted' ADMITS THE WATCHTOWER 'it is to be regretted that these latter statements APPARENTLY overshadowed these cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated'
  In its issue of July 15 1976 the Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date stated 'If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoints seeing that the word, ah, that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises, In saying 'anyone' the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses hence including ones having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the build up of hopes centered on that date' end of quote. So very humbly the Watchtower admitted that, June 15, 1976

  For the most part Loesch is simply repeating what was written in the Watchtower but he ends it with stating that it is the Watchtower that has been humble in admitting that it was disappointed individuals and individuals who were involved in the publication of the information that had failed and was deceitful.
  
  This is nothing new but the big difference is that we have a Governing Body member who is part of their 'faithful and discreet slave' pointing the finger at those involved in Watchtower publications. He paints a division here between the FDS and those involved in the publication of this false information.
  
  Who was involved in the publication of this information? We can't be sure but it appears that Fred Franz had a big part. But if we take their confession strictly as it is written then it includes all the Bethel workers involved in writing, printing and distributing those publications. Also, anyone donating to the Watchtower Organization could be said to have a hand in being involved. That's a lot of individuals when the blame should be humbly placed on the FDS. He had the opportunity to do this but chose not to.
  
  It's not the Watchtower, which is just a thing or tool, that should be admitting anything but it is the FDS who was responsible for directing others to publish the nonsense.