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  Sep. 2021 Broadcast: more money

  by neat blue dog in

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  in the latest jw broadcast, anthony morris the turd gives a talk about donations.

  to camouflage this, he starts and ends the talk by saying that isn't actually what he's doing.

  first he starts with the usual disclaimer, 'wt has never begged for money like christendom and we never will', you know the drill.

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  He also stated that Jehovah and Jesus expects them to donate money, even if they are poor.
  
  It's a shocking talk, guilting the poor into donating and it is centred around donating to the organization, not specifically to their local congregation.

  It's not the fault of JWs that the Watchtower decided to discontinue their main source of funds of selling publications to JWs resulting in them having to find other ways to guilt JWs into giving them money.

  It's one thing for Christians being asked to donate to their local Church or Congregation but being required to fork out funds for all different sorts of activities is going beyond any biblical backing to do so. The JWs are required to donate towards disaster relief, even if the affected JW has insurance. There's also the financial support of special pioneers, even if they volunteer in their own local area. There's the future building of several media centres which include support of bethelites by covering their accommodation and board expenses. There's also the many out of court settlements which they know nothing about and the list goes on.
  
  There's no transparency from the Watchtower HQ as to how much money goes where and virtually no option for the JWs to donate to specific causes. I don't see how God would expect worshipers to donate to a third party, the Watchtower who have distanced themselves from individual JWs.
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  Six Screens announcing passing of “MINIMUS”

  by RESPECTFUL OBSERVER in

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  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/ty_2l8zynvq.

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  Discussion starts at 2.07.50 but unfortunately it goes downhill very fast when Shirley starts talking. Simon may want to remove the link.

  Minimus was 65.
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  No more Questions from MINIMUS

  by was a new boy in

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  2. friends

  minimus former jw, prolific poster on jwn died.. minimus.

  joined 19 years ago.

  started 4,139 topics.

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  That's so sad.
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  Transcript - 2021 Governing Body Update #7

  by projecthydra in

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  2. beliefs

  please click here to download the transcript for governing body update #7.. three files included: .pdf, .docx, .epub.

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  The Governing Body is simply following the direction from WHO (a member of the United Nations) and Governments, everything else are conspiracy theories, not even worth consideration.
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  How on earth can WT lawyers continue to believe WT has God’s backing, when they see all the deception play out in Court.

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a post on reddit from mark and kimmy o’ donnell, from the crusaders documentary,.

  ask us anything.. mr. o'donnell gives his assessment of why wt lawyers continue to defend the child sex abuse cases that the organization continues to fight, even though they see firsthand the deception, the lies, the withholding of facts and dirty tactics used in court.

  by an organization that claims to be god's earthly representative, and the only one to hold the truth.

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  I guess they believe it's not due to their own failures but it's an attack from Satan. As one GB member said at their recent convention, they are at war.
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  This is a good read highlighting some of the concerns and data available regarding Covid and Vaccines written to Australians.

  https://covidmedicalnetwork.com/open-letters/first-do-no-harm.aspx
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  2021-08-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2021-august-s-147-announcements and reminders.

  in english and german.

  see number 10.10. experienced attorneys and paralegals needed: .

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  (Listener:

  How have you been? Thank you very much! Petra sends a big squeeeeez and hug to all of you.

  Atlantis! (grandpa))

  Good, thank you

  That's so sweet of Petra. I hope she is finding it enjoyable where she is.
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  2021-08-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2021-august-s-147-announcements and reminders.

  in english and german.

  see number 10.10. experienced attorneys and paralegals needed: .

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  Thanks Atlantis, much appreciated.
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

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  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  Okay, point taken Jeffro.
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  Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
  2. current

  dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

  besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

  it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

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  They have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk

  Is a drunk person putting others at risk if they are not at home and not driving?

  What about a mentally challenged person, or a drug taker, whether prescribed or not. When they pose a serious risk because of their proven social misbehaviour something can be done about it but usually not until they've already caused damage.
  
  What if the unvaccinated person is prepared to take extra precautions so as not to be any more of a risk than a vaccinated person and what exactly would be required? Who are they a risk to, another unvaccinated person or a vaccinated person?

  Apparently, an unvaccinated person can pass the virus on to others more easily if they have the virus because their symptoms are more severe or more contagious, so will shed the virus more (coughing etc.) But if they have any apparent symptoms they are likely to be at home anyway or it could be made a legal requirement that they quarantine.
  
  What if the unvaccinated person is prepared to stay at home rather than have a mandated vaccine?

  It looks like booster shots may be required and if so, what about those that have had severe side affects from the vaccines and it's too dangerous for them to have a booster, will it be mandated that they must have it?