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  2022-02-17-Watchtower Defense Manuals-Loss of State Support--Norway!

  by Atlantis in

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  2022-02-17-- watchtower defense manuals on the loss of state support in norway.. .

  the english manual is 32 pages long and the norwegian manual is 40 pages long.

  both manuals are in this file folder.. .

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  Thanks Atlantis.

  In para 26 they state

  Jehovah's Witnesses do not impose their beliefs on anyone.

  They certainly do impose their beliefs on others, in particular, their children or those living in their home.

  Amazingly, in para 27 they clearly say they don't impose their beliefs on their own children stating

  Accordingly, Jehovah's Witnesses do not force or pressure their children to adopt their faith.

  Tony Morris' instructions to withhold drivers licenses comes to mind for a start.

  Then weirdly, they continue on in the following paragraphs to explain how they deeply indoctrinate children through their propoganda.

  In Para 35 they state

  If a member of the congregation decides to stop living by the moral standards of the Bible and commits a serious sin, the body of elders will ask two elders to try to give him loving spiritual help.

  Why they claim there are only two Elders involved in 'helping' the JW is strange, maybe they consider that if they said there were three Elders it would look as if they were being even more overbearing.

  They are using any argument that they can such as the following

  89. To illustrate how theoretical the State Administrator's concerns are, we can state that as of the date of submission of this complaint, only one person under the age of 18 is disfellowshipped in Norway (and who otherwise turns 18 later this year). It is offensive to suggest that all or even some of the baptized youth in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses live by the moral standards of the Bible against their own free will or for fear of being disfellowshipped and rejected

  They are arguing on the basis of being 'offensive' (they use emotions all throughout their defense) even though there own data indicates there is cause to suggest that there may be truth in the argument. That is, if there is only one person under the age of 18 disfellowshipped in Norway then the JW children may be in fear of being df'd and rejected since the number is so low.

  There argument also claims that there is a suggestion that all baptized youths are in fear of being df'd/rejected/living against their own free will. Exaggerating rather than being factual is just one of their practices.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  raymond frantz - You tell me to concentrate on the facts and say there is a police investigation in progress in the UK.

  Did you make the report since you have already made your own conclusions regarding his guilt.

  Here's a couple of your comments on this forum

  Both the girl in Wales and the Jw girl are true. I was not aware of the sexting with the girl in Wales as this something thT VAH had in his possession foe some time...
  All 3 of them are totally corrupt and not only they offered Lloyd a hiding place in Wilmslow, our congregation, but also crucial advise how to escape to Croatia and avoid criminal charges.

  Are you providing all the evidence and information that you have to this police investigation?

  I've read that there had been a police investigation when the allegations surfaced in around 2017 but nothing came of it.

  I would also like to know what you mean by telling me to quit the "LLoyd support brigatre (brigade?) before it's too late?

  Are you suggesting I would fall into some sort of vortex, never to return?

  I can tell you that I am absolutely no part of his cult/brigade/following and have tried to inform others to be very careful if they plan on giving personal information to Lloyd, including an instance when he sent out an invitation on reddit a while back.

  There is nothing wrong with examining the information we do have at the moment.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I'm not sure this was mentioned but Cappytan has made some effort to try and work out whether the claims by this Marko and some of it that was published by Kim and Mike had any basis in truth or not.

  I missed this twitter that he made on twitter 27 Feb

  Here’s why my gut says they’re fake. There is no known user interface, prior to 2016’s Microsoft Outlook redesign, that uses a person’s initials in a circle with a thin weight font to thread either chat or email messages. Prove me wrong.

  The implication here is that these screenshots were supposedly taken in 2008. I find that so far to be impossible.

  https://mobile.twitter.com/bbqtexican
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  Peak Cancel Culture

  by Simon in

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  we seemed to have reached peak cancel-culture.

  now, we get to try to cancel the citizens of an entire country for something their government chose to do.. really, we can't allow russian individuals to compete in sports?

  to live a life?.

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  Already paid for Russian Vodka is being pulled off the shelves by liquor retailers here in Australia.
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  Was anyone removed from Bethel for suggesting the Governing Body were the "Faithful Slave"?

  by Brainfloss in

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  i remember reading somewhere a reference to ones at bethel being removed for suggesting that the governing body was the faithful and discreet slave, years before the org.

  made this change.

  am i wrong about this?

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  I'm sure that is it Bobcat. I was looking for it but couldn't find it. Thanks for the reminder.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Diogenesister - Remember JW fairy tale? Another guy who gave up because of LE. He made this video 6 years ago....now I'm really confused...

  As an aside, it's amazing that Tom (JW fairy tale) said in 2017 that he was just giving a heads up to the listeners, five years before it would come out, that it looked like JC was a pedo.

  Tom was pretty heavy with this suggestion . So much so, that his mates asked him to tone it down a little bit (not the volume but the way he was wording his suggestion). As part of the Vast Appostate Army, they didn't want to be sued by LE and he said he would be doing just that. He never did though.

  Tom was on another VAA video where he presented as much information as he could that led him to personally think that it wasn't unbelievable that LE was involved with a 14y/old. With all the ranting and raving from LE, I never saw him answer the question as to how old was the youngest girl that he had sexted.

  The VAA knew about Marko and his claim at that time. I think they were directed to a Facebook post by someone claiming to be Marko (related to DE). VAA tried to do some research on this Marko and I don't know how far they got with that and how much Kim & Mike were involved or even whether it was them that directed the guys at the VAA about the Facebook post. I don't think the VAA had sufficient evidence to prove the accusation as being credible.

  Within a short time, Marko deleted his Facebook account which I think had only existed for a couple of years and was extremely sparse.

  If you listen to that video with Tom speaking in 2017 a huge problem becomes apparent.

  There are now two different stories about what Marko claims LE did.

  In 2017 it was a case of him jacking off to a 14 year old in his congregation through cybersexting and his wife caught him out through his phone.

  This Marko now claims (through providing a chat transcript) that LE met a 14 y/'old girl on a dating site and met her in a car park.

  They are two very different accusations and doesn't make Marko look credible.

  Now Marko has disappeared from social media once again.

  If I was in contact with Marko I would want to know why there is this whopping discrepency.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  It doesn't matter what you've done for the ttatt if the flaw that you have as an individual works against the protection of the vulnerable, including abused females, males and children. If you can't even emphasise with their hurt then few people want to listen to you, far less than be interviewed by you.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Simon needs to be mentioned as well. The many hours, too numerous to keep count of that has gone into providing and maintaining this forum has provided a wealth of information over many years. The disclosure of Watchtower being a DPO of the UN in real time on this forum is is just one interesting piece of history. It's also provided plenty of support to many.

  Does anyone know what happened to all the money that was donated to AAwA which Lloyd ran?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I don't think he's a mole. The Watchtower wouldn't have gone so far as to try to have him dismissed from the IISCA enquiry. Although it was interesting in itself as to why they tried so hard. Was he an embarrassment to the Watchtower?

  One of his other bad pranks that he pulled was when he was given the opportunity to speak to one of the GB members. He had been given some direct phone numbers and he ended up speaking directly to Tony Morris. Of all things, he chose to question him on 'tight pants'. With all the exJWs that have been hurt by this religion in one way or another, he chooses to that.
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  Michael Jackson's mom on his disassociation

  by neat blue dog in

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  from an interview with ebony magazine:.

  in 1987, he left the jehovah's witnesses.

  there was strong opposition to his "thriller" video on the part of some witnesses.

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  I was not required to "shun" my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness

  Given the context, this is an admission that she sees shunning as unloving.