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Blues Brothers, I can only remember them relating examples of what other JWs have done and praised them for their actions under persecution. I don't recall where they have said that they need to remain silent under questioning is it might put other Brothers and Sisters in the spotlight.

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Watchtower July 22 - JWs being interrogated need to muzzle their mouths

by Listener in

the watchtower has printed a disturbing article about self control and gives this instruction to the r & f .

self-control also allows us to remain silent when opposers try to trick us into revealing things that could endanger our brothers and sisters.

this might occur when we are being interrogated by the police in a land where our work is banned or restricted.

Listener

The Watchtower has printed a disturbing article about self control and gives this instruction to the R & F

Self-control also allows us to remain silent when opposers try to trick us into revealing things that could endanger our brothers and sisters. This might occur when we are being interrogated by the police in a land where our work is banned or restricted. We can apply the principle to “guard [our] mouth with a muzzle” in these and other situations as well. (Ps. 39:1)

One common way in which authorities would try to trick a person into divulging information is by threatening them or their family and friends. It could be physical harm, material harm or something else. The Watchtower is telling them to shut up if the information might, not will, but might, endanger other JWs. How would they be endagered? Possibly just rounded up and interrogated as well.

But this instruction applies not only to JW men, but to females and teenagers.

It's not up to the Watchtower to decide when and how JWs should act when caught up by the higher authorities. It is up to the individual, their own conscience after weighing up what they perceive as risks.

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Dear Female ExJWs

by Simon in

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judging by some forum comments and tweets, it seems like some female exjw's feel they are being ignored or excluded from things.

i thought i'd share my views.

what could possibly go wrong .... first, i think it's unfair to post and judge people based on a private chat shared without permission and posted without context.

Listener

It is any Youtuber's right to decide what they want on their channel. There are dozens of reasons why they may choose a particular panel without jumping to the conclusion that they are misogynistic or deliberately excluding females.

None of these ex JWs are professionals so choosing a panel isn't necessarily focused at presenting a discussion that encompasses a wider dynamic. Their choice of participants may simply be a matter of who they can best relate to and feel comfortable in taking a topic in the direction they wish or choosing people they personally feel can give the most input on the same wave length as themselves.

The different time zones of participants and availability is another consideration.

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Watchtower's NEW Legal Learning Studio

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/qn4z2uzsabm.

Listener

Cappytan is currently on his YouTube channel along with Mark O'donnell and Alt Worldly reviewing the Watchtower live stream from Friday.

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Watchtower's NEW Legal Learning Studio

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/qn4z2uzsabm.

Listener

There is a Youtuber, Paul Lane who was advertising and interviewing Bethelites regarding this past Friday's streamed event discussing the 20 year old case between Watchtower vs Stratton. Robert Hendriks is one Bethelite interviewed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0i5L8TP7lc&t=1475s

At a guess it looks like the Legal Learning Studio was established for providing CLE credit (Continued Learning Credits) for attorneys in the USA.

It had made this past event regarding the Watchtower vs Stratton available to all attorneys and went to the effort of getting it accredited for use as CLE credits in various States.

It may be costly for the JW Attorneys to obtain their required CLE credits and this may be an effort to save costs as well as keeping them Watchtower focused.

If they provide it free to 'worldly' attorneys they would probably consider it as part of their preaching work.

There is an indication on the website that the Watchtower is planning future events but none are listed yet.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Listener

Slimboyfat - Listener, what terms would you suggest using instead? I don’t want to help LE’s narrative. But I don’t want to be insulting to potentially exploited people either

The term 'prostitute' in general terms is correct, unless they are not being paid in one form or another. If they have been exploited, then that clarification should be made in reference to that individual or group, if known.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Listener

the lowest point of this entire movement was when Kim’s initial Reddit statement was deleted by mods there, all under the guise of “well this could be a fake Kim Silvio

It was annoying that ex JW Reddit directed posters to use the term "sex workers" rather than any other term. I find it disturbing that they did this.

The term “sex worker” recognizes that sex work is work. Prostitution, on the other hand, has connotations of criminality and immorality.

It had the effect of making light what Lloyd Evans had/has been engaged in.

In her statement Kim Silvio had used the term 'prostitute' so they were also undermining the facts that she was revealing.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Listener

I haven't finished watching the VAH video but want to note here some of the comments made by Tom/Fairytale, for the record. Particularly because in 2017 he was very forward in suggesting that LE was a pedo and still continues with that idea to this day. Yet Lloyd has not listed him as one of the magnificent 7 and there appears to be good reason why.

Tom says that his father calls in to see him every couple of months and loves to tell him stories of something that they've been right about. One time, they were talking about JWs and child abuse.

This is a part transcript of what Tom says in the VAH video starting around 1.00

"The number one apostate in your world is a child abuser" (his father told him) and this was years and immediately I knew who he was talking about, immediately I knew it was true. And that means, I thought about it a couple of days what that means.
My dad is on the district Committee where he gives talks at the summer conventions. He knows the DO's and that means that the Watchtower society knows that, I am not going to say his name, MaoMan is a CSA abuser and that they have told the Elders, at least all around the Nation of America, they have told the Elders that the big apostate who's on Youtube is a df'd child abuser, which is what my Dad told me and I knew it was true and I couldn't tell him it was wrong. I knew it was true.
I think I told you guys a story or Joel told you guys a story about I had been very harshly critical of Lloyd back in 2017 and part of that had been mum was very ill, I was very upset at that time. I was a little bit off centre at that time because of how upset I was and I really lace into Lloyd because I had just had enough he got, from someone who was an ex friend of mine, and he got my last and he went with it and he called my parents house and my mother picked up the phone and he pretended, what she told me, a man with a British accent said that he was a lawyer and he was calling about collections. That he needed to know their bank information, where he could see about the title to their house because all of that was going to be claimed in recompense for my criticisms of my online. He was going to collect damages from them and my mum, my mum is not a stupid woman and my mum says 'I don't think so' and she said 'I don't know who you are but don't call again, I have nothing to do with my adult son and he got, this is how my dad described it to me because he was on, my mum had it on speaker phone and my father was down the hallway, in his office and Lloyd screamed so loud at my mother that he heard it half way across the house and he described it as demonic and when I was listening to him that was another thing I couldn't disagree with and so my dad was two for two on that one.
Anyway, there really is no point to this story other than it's just another piece of the puzzle that for me, it is a giant red flag that Lloyd has reacted so viserally (?) to the suggestion that something happened in 2008 which he assured us nothing does but in my experience and I will tell you that my father and my grandfather were both Elders and I have been a family of Elders for a long time. Elders cover for each other. When an Elder gets df'd, when an Elder gets removed, it's bad, something bad happened and for an Elder to get removed when his dad is an Elder that is trying to cover it up for him, it's, it's a little more than chat rooms. He did something than being in a chat room and his wife found out about it and I say this because in our congregation there were Elders that did similar things like being caught for chat rooms or being caught flirting with their secretary or something like that or even committing fornication. They didn't get removed and they certainly didn't flee the country and change their screen name and all of this and start using alias.
I do understand people, I have a big question around Marko, a big question around the leaked emails, but I don't think they should be memory hold and I also don't know what the police are doing with that information but I want to say that it is a very bad precedent to be set for people to come into possession of evidence, be it circumstantial or otherwise, turn it over to police and then ex JWs are criticsing them for doing that and it's like, wait a minute, isn't that what you always said was the problem with JWs is that they didn't do that. The Watchtower said where's your two witnesses well there's never two witnesses, there never will be two witnesses, it's not the nature of that sort of crime and so I wanted to set the record straight that I think it is the utmost hypocrysy for people to say well you don't have video tape or something of Lloyd doing these things, woops, I said his name, I'm talking about a different Lloyd by the way, ... but we talked about how the most hilarious moment in ex Jw history was when Lloyd said 'What, what'.
To me the darkest moment in exJw history is when and I will never forget this day, was that 24 hour period of January 31st to February 1st and I was there and I saw it with my own eyes, when Kim Silvio had posted on Reddit her statement, just making people aware of what this character was doing with activists donations and seeing how this had been removed by the moderators ...a post "all hail Lloyd Evans, King of the exJws" and I said 'this is the darkest moment of ex JW history.