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  FDS 1919 Declaration Date

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

  such as some calculation attached to 1914?

  that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

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  Listener

  They now only give seasons even though 1260 days or 42 months is more specific.
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  The ''dreaded'' birthday cake

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower—study edition | september 2023. study article 39. let mildness be your strength.

  11 if a workmate asks, for example, why we do not celebrate birthdays, consider: could he be wondering whether we are allowed to have a good time?

  or might he feel that our position will dampen the company’s team spirit?

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  "We may be able to ease our workmate’s concerns by expressing how much we appreciate his interest in fellow workers and assuring him that we want to enjoy a pleasant environment at work"

  Not engaging in office celebrations doesn't make for a pleasant environment except what the Watchtower really means is that a pleasant environment is where they are not persecuted or ridiculed for their beliefs.

  They often encourage JWs to see them as 'worldly people' and separate from them, not even having lunch with them in the lunch room.
  
  
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  Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

  he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

  we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

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  Dreary. you say that the org. has changed their views since the 80s and 90s. You then show a number of quotes that explain how discipline should never be abusive.

  The only conclusion that can be made from this is that you admit prior to the 80s the org. taught parents to be abusive when it came to discipline.

  Interesting,
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  The FDS Photoshop

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those interested in the latest version of the faithful slave.

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  from the february 2024 watchtower .

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  Listener

  That's funny, the members still there from 2014 haven't aged at all. It's a miracle.
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  Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

  he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

  we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

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  Listener

  Yes, he lied about corporal punishment. The following is part of what he said -

  In relation to Proverbs 13:34 about 'whoever holds back his rod hates his son he was questioned and responded "It absolutely is not about inflicting corporal punishment" Then he was asked "Do you accept corporal punishment' and he replies "No" ..."Not personally, no, and not as an organization, we don't encourage it"

  For years the organization has referred to the rod of discipline being physical punishment and also includes other forms of discipline or teaching.

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  With regard to discipline, the Bible states: “The rod and reproof are what give wisdom.” (Proverbs 29:15) However, not all children need physical punishment. Proverbs 17:10 tells us: “A rebuke works deeper in one having understanding than striking a stupid one a hundred times.”

  They have never said that Prov 13:34 does not include the use of corporal punishment.

  The above Watchtower quote also promotes the idea of physical punishment. It simply says it may not always be needed. Which is not the same as not encouraging it because it is doing that very thing.

  It doesn't matter if he accepts it or doesn't, that may well be true that he doesn't we wouldn't know if he was lying about that or not but we do know what the organizations view is and they encourage it but with the qualifier of it not being required all the time.

  
  

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  "...The Most Important Day of the Year" Watchtower January,2024

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what a mockery that statement is to over 99% of their followers.

  there is nothing biblically that makes the jw memorial day important to anyone that does not partake.

  they still continue to say .

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  You're very kind Atlantis and if it wasn't for the great guys like you and your team, there wouldn't be much to research.
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  "...The Most Important Day of the Year" Watchtower January,2024

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what a mockery that statement is to over 99% of their followers.

  there is nothing biblically that makes the jw memorial day important to anyone that does not partake.

  they still continue to say .

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  What a mockery that statement is to over 99% of their followers. There is nothing biblically that makes the JW memorial day important to anyone that does not partake.

  They still continue to say

  It is the only event that Jesus specifically commanded his followers to observe.

  Since they don't partake they are not followers of Jesus' command although the Watchtower tricks them into thinking that they are.

  It is a ritual that they observe worldwide with instructions to all congregations to follow "the same pattern" by singing two songs, passing the emblems, and saying 'amen' to four prayers.

  This is what they have said about rituals in the past. The Watchtower 83 11/1 states

  Burns and other Catholic authorities may feel that a host of other “ritualistic” things can be helpful in worshiping God. But note what Jesus Christ said about “the kind of worshipper the Father wants.” To a woman who thought worship at a particular mountain was necessary, Jesus declared: “God is spirit, and those who worship must worship in spirit and truth.” Worshiping “in spirit” clearly rules out the use of visual aids, as is also indicated by the apostle Paul, who said that Christians walk “by faith and not by sight.”​—John 4:23, 24; 2 Corinthians 5:7, Catholic Jerusalem Bible.

  The passing of the emblems is much more than a 'visual aid' it is very hands on as well and as noted by many ex JWs, a visual sign of rejection.

  The article states that there are questions that people they invite might have and they included examples which are -

  "What will happen at the event" How long will it last? Is there a dress code? Is there and admittance fee? Will collections be taken?"

  The Watchtower really does have money on its mind.

  Further into the article they explain to Elders that they need to be targeting inactive JWs. They are really getting extreme. Here are some of their instructions -

  "Give them loving attention...Assure them of your affection and your desire to help in any way you can...After the memorial, keep in touch with these dear brothers and sisters."

  These are JWs that aren't d'fd but no longer participate, even still they are told to show emotions that don't exist. But worse, this is left to the Elders and not to other JWs who personally know them, maybe for many years and have spent much time with them and who really did love them at one point in time.

  Instead, all the other JWs are told to show their love to them only when they actually attend the memorial.

  
  
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  PIMI wife told to go against her husband and take the vaccines?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a pimi sister has been told by her unbelieving husband not to take these experimental vaccines then what is official jw policy in this situation?.

  should she go against her husband and tell him i will do what the men at my church tell me?.

  what on earth will the husband think then?

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  I agree with Samcats. Her husband was a control freak.
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  Pornography in the Marriage

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".

  how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.

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  They are worried about porn in the marriage, what about abuse? They have interesting priorities and there has to be a reason why.
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  Leaked. Nov 6th Secret Boxes

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  self-aware npc has an upload that the ""top-secret"' elders only secret boxes is a drum roll here......a new brochure.....ta dahhhh🤪.

  i mean how more dramatic can we get..

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  Listener

  The new "Love people, make disciples" brochure has been leaked and can be found at https://avoidjw.org/whats-new/love-people-new-publication/

  It's a recruiting brochure where JWs are initially instructed to be people focused, natural and to basically tell them what they want to hear then once they've been snared by means of accepting book studies, they are instructed not to talk too much and stick to the study material.
  

  The brochure is a basic guide as to how to go about their preaching work, it's all been said before but suggests they will no longer have campaigns where they focus on a particular 'memorized program'. Of course they will, they are always wishy washy in their approach. Still, they are taking a lighter approach to preaching. The instruction is to engage in chit chat, focusing on the individual and what they would like to tak about. Then they can edge their way into mentioning a 'basic truth'.

  
  There is no focus on the real Bible message. It does mention the term 'good news' but it does not discuss what it is. No mention of the gospel is made at all in all of its 32 pages. It does not talk about faith in Jesus and the significance of his ransom sacrifice in the forgiveness of sins or God's free gift and growing in our love towards God. Yet they talk about reaching a persons heart at the initial stages. Nor does it mention his rulership as King. There is a section devoted to 'Truths we love to teach' which they are instructing JWs to speak about - BASIC TRUTHS. Under "Jesus" they only include these four basic truths about him - He is a Great Teacher, He foretold events we see today, He is God's son and He is not God Almighty. At the very best, it's not until a person gets to the stage of committing to studying do they have the potential of hearing about Christ's sacrifice and God's love.