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  More worship of men and framing as means of conveying pedagogy

  by mortimer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest study article 51: enjoy a hope without disappointment, we're treated with a paragraph describing the previous president of the watchtower, frederick franz, as an example of a 'brother' who cherishes the hope of his heavenly appointment.

  we are further treated with a picture of this man meant certainly to evoke a sense of reverence for him (and by extension the organizations' leadership).

  the watchtower is very purposeful in how it frames any point it makes in its published work.

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  Anointed Christians cherish that hope. One of them, Brother Frederick Franz, said from his heart: “Our hope is a sure thing, and it will be fulfilled fully to every last one of the 144,000 members of the little flock to a degree beyond what we have even imagined.” After serving God faithfully for decades, in 1991 Brother Franz affirmed: “[We] have not lost our sense of value of that hope. . . . We are appreciating it all the more the longer we have to wait for it. It is something worth waiting for, even if it required a million years. I evaluate our hope more highly than ever before.”

  He was 98 at the time he spoke those words. He believed he was going to heaven in a very, very short time. It's no wonder he was excited and his expectations were even greater than before. As for most other JWs, their expectations of living through to a paradise earth were slowly disintegrating or being revised.
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  The Vaccine mandate has been lifted, with no explanation or apologies

  by redsetter2 in

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  The wording of the persons that are responsible for the change is very long winded, if not confusing.

  What they are saying is that one Committee, headed by some of the Governing Body members has approved the request made by another Committee headed by some members of the Governing Body.

  This means that neither their FDS or Governing Body, as a whole, made this decision.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool March 2024

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  for those still interested in lloyd's fall from grace, i made up a chart of my own.

  april 2023 is when he put out his "things are bad" tin cup begging video, and he got a small surge to 592 on the 13th of that month.

  i'm also using his all-time peak of 897 from november 2022.. for march, we're gonna say a modest -15, putting him at 352. i'm also curious as to when he might hit 300 and then 200. if he keeps up with an average of -20 every month, he'll be at less than 190 before the end of this year.. happy guessing everyone..

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  JW Leaks/Steven Unthank - Having observed this pool, and other Lloyd-related matters for some time, and taking into consideration his attacks and defamation of me for no legitimate reason whatsoever

  He sure did get stuck into you -

  As much as I hate to say it, the Jehovah’s Witness leadership is at least partially right when it accuses former members of being lying and deceitful. For my part, I do my very best to make sure all information I share with my viewers and readers is factual and truthful. I also surround myself with like-minded activists here at JW Watch and elsewhere who share my passion for exposing Jehovah’s Witnesses in an honest and responsible way.
  But throughout my years of activism I have been wary of individuals who do not care much about facts and seem to thrive on engineered drama and sensationalism. When this has the effect of dissuading doubting Jehovah’s Witnesses from reviewing “apostate” information it is bad enough. But in this case I am seeing something far worse. I am seeing horrific and traumatizing childhood abuse exacerbated through needlessly shattered hopes and expectations. I am seeing abuse survivors who have already been through unimaginable ordeals being manipulated into joining an outrage army; stirred up by invented problems to mobilize against foes who are, in reality, allies.
  https://jwwatch.org/australian-royal-commission/misinformation-on-the-australian-redress-scheme-is-harmful-to-survivors-and-it-must-stop
  Really, the things he accused you of are despicable, when you've stood in the background for years and have the victims interests at heart.

  What was his real motives? The most apparent one is for self promotion as he compares himself as being so much better and having victims, those working for him and other potential cult followers, look to him as a source of fact and truth.

  Not only that, but he can't have any competition. It hadn't been long before this that Steven became a little more public, giving interviews on Youtube. He even spoke about an award he received from an Australian State leader in 2020. I'm sure that must have posed such a threat. But I think there were other reasons for this attack from Lloyd and possibly had something to do with the privacy of one of the ARC victims.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kx-CPJRusY
  
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  Comedian Katt Williams Wrongly Disfellowshipped By Jehovah's Witnesses!!!

  by Golden4Altar in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  comedian katt williams wrongly disfellowshipped by jehovah's witnesses!!!.

  here is the link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59.

  golden 4altar.

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  Earnest - but sexual acts + lack of repentance = disfellowshipping. Case closed.

  To be more precise - certain sexual acts as defined by the GB or determined as qualifying for df by at least 2 of 3 Elders plus the lack of repentance as judged by at least 2 of 3 Elders or the confession of the JW may or may not result in disfellowshipping as determined by 2 of 3 Elders, depending on the seriousness of the act/s, circumstances, number of occurances, how many are aware of the act/s, the feelings of the Elders and many other considerations.
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  Oh boy: 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses reach out to Super Bowl fans in Las Vegas

  by Tahoe in

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  2. current

  https://www.fox5vegas.com/2024/02/09/1000-jehovahs-witnesses-reach-out-super-bowl-fans-las-vegas/ .

  1000 lit-up carts at 50 strategic locations near the stadium and on the strip.

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  The JW lady says she is sharing 'their' message. At least they are right about that but a real Christian would say they are sharing God's/Jesus' message or the Bible message or the Gospel - not their own message.
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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  They might decide to say that it is Gods way of showing them not to rely on Governments for financial support but instead be thankful for the every increasing donations from the brothers and sisters.
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  In spite of the Australian Royal Commission...

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-29/jehovahs-witnesses-not-reporting-all-child-sex-abuse-to-police-/103320582.

  national news story in australia today.. the inquiry heard that since the 1950s, the witnesses hid more than 1,000 cases of child sexual abuse.the faith group did not report one case to police over that time.the royal commission was announced in 2012 and the final report was delivered in 2017.in the wake of the institutional failings exposed by the commission, western australia’s mandatory reporting requirements were expanded to include religious ministers in 2021.it meant that they would have to report child sexual abuse to authorities.however, despite it being post royal commission, documents show how the religious group conducted its own internal investigation.the religious leaders did not report the matter to police.

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  The abusers lawyer stated

  "Noting that Kezia Whitton was and remain able to report the matter to the police, should she so wish. And that is what Mr Whitton expected at those times. But that did not happen until 2021. So certainly, he attended the church for that investigation with the expectation that the matter would go further, and it did not do so until 2021.”

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  The organisation will not report the abuser, even when they confess and neither do they require the abuser to confess to police as demonstration of their repentance. It is then left to the abused to report it which is not acceptable from a christian point of view.
  
  
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  When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.

  an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.

  what is the procedure?.

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  Thomas More, where do I sign☺️
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  When The 'Tower Is Mentioned In A Will

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i assume someone from wt attends the reading of the will.

  an elder, a co, some especially selected person from the branch under whose purview this sort of thing is maintained?.

  what is the procedure?.

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  In Australia there is no formal reading of the Will. I imagine this only occurs if someone requests it. The executor of the Will would decide that or it may be a required act listed in the Will.

  The executor of the Will, who had been appointed by the deceased is required to execute it in accordance to the deceased’s written instructions. If the Watchtower has been left anything they may or may not know.

  From what I’ve read, it is the Branch office that overseas anything left to the Watchtower and they could use anyone in the organisation to assist with it. That’s if it is necessary, The executor may be able to deal with it directly with the branch.
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  teddenzo - I suppose they are saying it’s a bit like the Bible says there will be a resurrection of the unrighteous. Maybe they think unrighteous can also survive Armageddon now since they said it would be stupid to hope your loved ones die beforehand.

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  You might be on to something there.

  It’s never made sense that most JWs and everyone else are judged at Armageddon and only good JWs will survive, the rest dying forever. Then good and bad people are resurrected with all reaching perfection by the end of 1,000 years after Armageddon and at that time the Jws who were already judged at Armageddon will be judged again. Everyone else (except those killed in Noah’s day/Soddom & Gomorrah/ etc.) will be judged for the first time.

  Some more changes in doctrine must be coming.