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  More JW Criminals Caught....

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://youtu.be/pirwhbyd4uy?si=x3awvyv4midux8es.

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  How important was it that Brumley’s name be cleared, resulting in the need for the Watchtower to appeal?

  Watchtower 75 8/1

  ” 23 In the first chapter of the book of Titus, Paul gave counsel as to what to look for in elders. One must be “free from accusation,” of unimpeachable qualities. No one may be able to point the finger at him as being of questionable personal traits. He must not be “self-willed” or overbearing; not “prone to wrath,” short-tempered; “not greedy of dishonest gain,” but, rather, outstandingly honest in his dealings inside and outside the congregation.​—Titus 1:6, 7; see also 1 Peter 5:2, 3.”

  There is no question that his dealings outside of the congregation have been found to be ‘outstandingly honest’ or free from accusation.
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  Telluric movements in the branch committees

  by Jalisco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently a gilead graduate from a latin american country told me that the gilead school now trains branch committee members rather than missionaries because there are centrifugal forces there... this made me remember a paragraph from a watchtower from years ago which i hang below.

  in confirmation of this, i have learned, in the few contacts that i have, that in athens there is a problem in the committee and they sent the coordinator of another branch.

  very recently, 2 members of the ecuador branch committee left and one left the organization and is an "apostate"..even though he graduated from gilead 8 months ago.. something is happening.... here's the paragraph that turned a red light on when i read it.... watchtower 11/2016 page 11. do we follow the instructions?11.

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  “Do I I’mediately obey and support the decisions of the men who direct the work?”

  There must be no thought about the rightness of any orders coming from men who are fallible and imperfect. These orders must be obeyed, immediately even if they don’t stand up to God’s standards of fairness, honesty, kindness and
  
  
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  WTS NEW USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL, SATELLITE ACCESS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://freshangleng.com/34262/how-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-are-making-content-available-to-people-with-limited-or-no-internet-access .

  satellite and others for those who cannot access internet!

  spread the word (ha).

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  Anonymous - @listener: then why do they lie about the cost and not simply say the program costs are $$...

  I'm with you about what you said.

  I couldn't understand whether you were saying that they were paying for them or not.

  No doubt the congregations that receive these feel guilted into donating money back to the Watchtower, especially when they put a dollar figure to it. And, as you point out, those figures have been inflated.
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  WTS NEW USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL, SATELLITE ACCESS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://freshangleng.com/34262/how-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-are-making-content-available-to-people-with-limited-or-no-internet-access .

  satellite and others for those who cannot access internet!

  spread the word (ha).

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  Anony Mous -

  And from their website, they had sold a few thousand in 2020, this must be a great revenue stream.

  Who were they selling them to? In the JW link you provided, they are suggesting that they use donated money for these, not charging the congregation.
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  Welcome

  I just want you to know you are not a bad person for questioning everything. In fact, you are in good company with a lot of people who love God and want to do what’s right.

  I'm not one, but there are many athiests on this website. They also like to do what is right.
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  Memorial of Jesus' death

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was listening to a youtube where a pastor relates his experience of attending a jw memorial.

  he said something that was profound to me.. "how do you have a memorial for someone alive?".

  they use this phrase all the time, even printing thousands and thousands of invitations to invite everyone to join them in doing this.. i googled that phrase to see what other christian church's use this phrase and was astounded to see that at least the first two pages of results are in relation to jw's only..

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  TxNVSue2023, could you provide a scripture where Jesus commanded that his death be observed?

  Remembering the sacrifice that Jesus made by partaking of the emblems is a far different concept to passing the emblems from one person to another without partaking.
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  Memorial of Jesus' death

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was listening to a youtube where a pastor relates his experience of attending a jw memorial.

  he said something that was profound to me.. "how do you have a memorial for someone alive?".

  they use this phrase all the time, even printing thousands and thousands of invitations to invite everyone to join them in doing this.. i googled that phrase to see what other christian church's use this phrase and was astounded to see that at least the first two pages of results are in relation to jw's only..

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  I was listening to a Youtube where a Pastor relates his experience of attending a JW memorial. He said something that was profound to me.

  "How do you have a memorial for someone alive?"

  They use this phrase all the time, even printing thousands and thousands of invitations to invite everyone to join them in doing this.

  I googled that phrase to see what other Christian Church's use this phrase and was astounded to see that at least the first two pages of results are in relation to JW's only.
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  How does the Govering Body get enlightenment?

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the earliest of times of the catholic church's ecumenical councils were used to make major changes to its doctrinal direction.

  decisions were made by bishops, they were ratified by the pope ... and it was done.

  and the laity had to accepted them or not.. and while splinter catholic religions accepted most of these councils, non-trinitarian faiths which developed latter (of which jehovah's witnesses are apart) did not.

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  Rattigan, the point is, none of this guess work is found in scripture and the problem is, where is it from? The Watchtower says they think some of it is from the anointed, in heaven, by ones who were resurrected beginning sometime between 1918 and 1935 but they are not sure.

  The Governing Body are getting spirit communications but they don’t know who they come from.
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  How does the Govering Body get enlightenment?

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the earliest of times of the catholic church's ecumenical councils were used to make major changes to its doctrinal direction.

  decisions were made by bishops, they were ratified by the pope ... and it was done.

  and the laity had to accepted them or not.. and while splinter catholic religions accepted most of these councils, non-trinitarian faiths which developed latter (of which jehovah's witnesses are apart) did not.

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  Ernest, you say there doesn’t seem to be any scriptural reason to believe that the heavenly calling ended in 1935, only circumstance. There is no circumstance to prove it ended then. Neither is there any scriptural reason for the great crowd being identified in 1935 or for the resurrection beginning some time between 1918 and 1935. None.

  You say it is fact that one of the 24 elders revealed the identity of the great crowd to John. How could they reveal it to him if none of them were even in heaven at the time?
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  How does the Govering Body get enlightenment?

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the earliest of times of the catholic church's ecumenical councils were used to make major changes to its doctrinal direction.

  decisions were made by bishops, they were ratified by the pope ... and it was done.

  and the laity had to accepted them or not.. and while splinter catholic religions accepted most of these councils, non-trinitarian faiths which developed latter (of which jehovah's witnesses are apart) did not.

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  Ernest, you are right.

  They base 1918 on the idea that it is 3.5 years after Jesus was made King in 1914 due to some speculation regarding Jesus himself.

  Then they conclude it must have occurred prior to 1935 because Rutherford came up with the idea of the identity of the Great crowd as being the other sheep. They claim this new revelation was likely communicated to them by the resurrected anointed.

  However, with all this speculation they overlooked one thing. They make the bold statement that the 1935 great crowd revelation was definitely communicated to them. Since it wasn’t made up by Rutherford and it wasn’t from the bible, they admit to it being revealed to them somehow, they just aren’t sure who communicated it to them.

  So we get back to the OP’s question. How does the GB get enlightenment? For some things they do know, for others, they just don’t know and resort to speculation.