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Have Jehovah`s Witnesses Really Complied With The Law In The State Of Victoria Aust.?With Regard to "Working With Children Checks."?

by smiddy in

i have my doubts that they have.my understanding is that only a select few such as elders have got wwcc after years of non compliance.i dont think the rank and file , the majority of jehovahs witnesses going from door to door have obtained one , and if that is indeed the case , then they are still breaking the law.

i would appreciate it if their is anyone in victoria who still attends meetings or knows anybody who does to either confirm or deny my claim.. last year on regional radio abc gippsland talkback radio host celine foenander dealt with the subject who has to obtain "working with children checks" and many callers responded.one in particular stood out to me ,a self employed carpet cleaner had to obtain one before he could continue in his business simply because their could be children at home when he called.their were many similar stories like that.i phoned up and explained to the switch girl about jw`s non compliance.they were very interested in what i had to say but sadly ran out of time and it didn`t go to air.. i`m sure that if the government knew that every baptized jehovah`s witness was considered a minister of religion ,and are required to go door to door to spread their message , then every adult would be required to obtain a wwc check.. i look forward to your comments.

smiddy.

Listener

This is the way that many Government Departments work these days.

With call centres they have a computer in front of them and employees are required to give the scripted answer, it is okay for them to put it in their own words but they must not provide anything more than what their outline provides. If they feel they have not answered the question then they can forward the call onto another Department to officers of a higher ranking and who are generally more knowledgeable. If they can't answer the question they usually have some procedure that can be followed so that the individual can get the information they need but it requires some firmness by the enquirer to motivate them to find someone who can answer the question.

Often when someone writes in to a Department with a question a similar process is followed. There is a pool of employees who have been given the authority to attempt to respond to the letters and again they can only provide answers within a scripted response, again they can put the answer in their own words. The more thoughtful employees will recognize that they can't answer a question and will not do so, this means that the letter must be passed on to more senior officers to answer them. Unfortunately, the initial employee doesn't want to pass on too many letters as it makes them look useless, not appreciating that a basic reply to a person is just as useless anyway. Generally all the letters they recieve have to be responded to and are logged onto a system and a turn around time for response has to be adhered to, according to their procedures.

These days I do not accept a superficial answer and I will rewrite to the Department. I will include my first letter and the response recieved. In my new letter I then explain what specifically was not addressed in the initial letter and ask for a more detailed and specific response. They must respond to the new letter and by providing the previous response they understand that they cannot get away with a superficial response again. This normally provides me with a much more detailed answer, if not I would continue the same process, advising in the new letter exactly what I was still seeking the answer to.

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What new light are they rolling out at the next convention?

by garyneal in

i think i heard that the wt recently announced that the fds is really the gb alone.

is this suppose to be brought out at the convention?.

any other new light coming out that anyone is aware of?

Listener

The convention would be a good opportunity to introduce a pamphlet titled TTATT.

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I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

by booker-t in

i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

Listener

The GB are saying that the FDS will recieve their appointment over all of Christ's belongings when he returns, which is in the future. However they have been saying that the 144,000 have been recieving their heavenly reward since 1914.

W10 7/15 pg 3-7

"Read2Peter 3:13. The “new heavens” is God’s heavenly Kingdom, which was established in the year 1914 when “the appointed times of the nations” ended. (Luke 21:24) This royal government is made up of Christ Jesus and his 144,000 corulers, most of whom have received their heavenly reward."

From the Annual Meeting Report

"Consequently, Jesus will reward “the faithful and discreet slave” by resurrecting the individual members of that group to heavenly life and by giving them royal authority over all Christ’s belongings in heaven and on earth. This is the same reward promised to all faithful anointed Christians.—Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6."

So this reward is being given to individuals prior to it being given to the FDS on Christ's return when he will then give this reward to the individual members of that FDS group. No wonder it is confusing.

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Have Jehovah`s Witnesses Really Complied With The Law In The State Of Victoria Aust.?With Regard to "Working With Children Checks."?

by smiddy in

i have my doubts that they have.my understanding is that only a select few such as elders have got wwcc after years of non compliance.i dont think the rank and file , the majority of jehovahs witnesses going from door to door have obtained one , and if that is indeed the case , then they are still breaking the law.

i would appreciate it if their is anyone in victoria who still attends meetings or knows anybody who does to either confirm or deny my claim.. last year on regional radio abc gippsland talkback radio host celine foenander dealt with the subject who has to obtain "working with children checks" and many callers responded.one in particular stood out to me ,a self employed carpet cleaner had to obtain one before he could continue in his business simply because their could be children at home when he called.their were many similar stories like that.i phoned up and explained to the switch girl about jw`s non compliance.they were very interested in what i had to say but sadly ran out of time and it didn`t go to air.. i`m sure that if the government knew that every baptized jehovah`s witness was considered a minister of religion ,and are required to go door to door to spread their message , then every adult would be required to obtain a wwc check.. i look forward to your comments.

smiddy.

Listener

I was told by a JW living in Victoria that the elders and some others have been told to obtain the WWC certificate. I don't know who the 'some others' include.

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First [brief] conversation w/elder for years

by AK - Jeff in

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friends

in my area, i am labeled an 'active apostate', among other things i am sure.

i live in a very small town, and bump into elders who hate me beyond words.

if they could, i am sure they would gladly stone me before the entire villiage while chanting 'apostate, apostate.'.

Listener

Doing their sheppherding business in the toilet is not appropriate.

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The New Diary of Winston Smith

by WinstonSmith in

we had to go off grid for a time, time and half a time as we thought we had been outed.

fortunately it was a false alarm, but it was a stressful time.

i asked for my original diary thread to be deleted in case there could be anything on there to identlfy mrs smith and i. i am always very careful when posting, and am sure there was nothing on there, but felt it best to have it removed in order to be as cautious as a dove.

Listener

We just got back from a holiday in Hong Kong. It is such an interesting and stimulating place to visit. The pollution/smog is shocking and is really a statement as to how far man is prepared to go to achieve it's own goals.

Last time we saw JWs handing out mags in some walkways of Hong Kong. This time we saw one of their new magazines stands just outside the China Ferry terminal. What really struck me as pathetice was a middle aged lady holding up a sign with the JWs web address. It is shameful how the sheepies will just follow the instructions issued from headquarters in promoting their organisation. But really, what if everyone else stood out on the streets holding up signs with web addresses on it? It is really corny.

If I had thought of it at the time I would have approached them and asked if they are adivising Chinese of possible legal reprecussions if they were to take the WT publications into China.

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I'm posting here an informative email from STEVEN UNTHANK

by AndersonsInfo in

yesterday, a jwn poster e-mailed me asking if i would post on this discussion board his recent email to steven unthank and also post stevens reply.

the reason for the request is because the poster has need to remain completely anonymous.

i agreed to share the email because i knew you would find stevens reply informative and interesting.. .

Listener

The comments from the Australian JW lawyer made in a newspaper shed some light on their attitude-

Vincent Toole, solicitor for the Jehovah's Witnesses, said the fact that the church got working with children checks had nothing to do with Steven Unthank, whom he suggested was behind the court case. ''We find it disappointing that he continues to misrepresent our organisation.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/child-in-jehovahs-witness-court-bid-20130217-2elcg.html#ixzz2LfutCwuT They don't want to acknoweledge that Steve Unthank is having influence on how they go about their business. I was talking to a JW from Melbourne who specifically told me that it was due to court action that some JWs have now been required to obtain working with children certificates. As a side point she also said that because of their concerns about legal actions the elders were now very restricted in giivng any personal advice to the flock. This is sad as it means they are putting the 'fear of man' before spiritual concerns and individuals are not getting the assistance they seek and need, although this may be a good thing as their advice in the past has proven time and again to be greatly lacking.

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April 15, 2013 Watchtower - p. 22-26: Organization-Obsessed Much???

by sd-7 in

there's a study article "make sure of the more important things", and in no uncertain terms the article makes clear that "jehovah's organization" is the most important thing.

the term "organization" or "jehovah's organization" is used a whopping 24 times in the article, including a subheading titled: "follow the example of jehovah's organization".

i thought organizations were entities, but that sort of subheading makes it seem like the organization is one giant person whose example we can follow.

Listener

I was wondering about that too Gayle. Maybe it aill be the article that discusses the new meaning of the FDS and they've had a little trouble with it.

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wait for it...the day when a non anointed will be on the Governing Body

by Aussie Oz in

i believe that one of the next big doctrine changes will be that the non annointed can be on the gb (and eventually the whole gb will be non annointed).. now that they have slipped through that they are all domestics (the "idea" that jeffery jackson loves so) the current gb are also "domestics" when not meeting as the gb, just as the rest of the rank and file and other annointed are.. not hard to see how they can now bring in any "domestic'' annointed or not to be on the gb.

once one is in, they can bring in more as they swap over.. stand by for more new light from the celestial chariot.... they would not have made so much of the whole ''domestic'' thing just because jackson had the happies for it, there will be a reason behind the manourver i am sure.

i can't see it as essential to the change of fds from the remnant to the 8. that they could have just stated and it would have been accepted without question.

Listener

They would have to change their interpretation of the FDS again if they allowed the anointed to act on the GB. They announced that the FDS will be appointed over all Christ's belongings (which include heavenly belongings) on his return. This could not be given to non anointed.

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Do you believe that God is using the faithful and discreet slave

by trujw in

it seems that this question is used by elder to trap us and close their minds(the jw elder) to thinking.

if you answer no they wrap up a jc in short order.

i was wondering if any have tried to use a more pointed question to actually get them to think themselves.

Listener

You could answer that yest God is using the faithful and discreet slave. Who are they? Well that is not for us to decide. Jesus makes that decision as to whether they are faithful or not on his return.