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  2014 Convention Audio available?

  by gbrn in

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  i was wondering if anyone is aware of any recordings of the convention as of yet?

  i know its relatively early, so i may just have to wait.

  just curious if anyone had a copy yet.. thanks!.

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  Thanks
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  Recent refinements / changes in WTS

  by Da.Furious in

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  we had our co visit and on his second talk he mentioned we need to be a pillar and support of the truth.

  we can do this by accepting and working with all the changes, refinements and the speed of jehovahs organisation moving forward.. he listed the refinements and changes that occurred in the last couple of years:.

  1- study edition of wt - allows the society to use more meaty articles and not worry about non jws understanding them.. 2- public edition of wt and awake.

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  And they teach God is not a God of change.
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  Elders attempted to catch me out

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  hey all,.

  i had two elders just "drop in" yesterday...walked around the back of my house and all....rude....i happened to be home, and opened the door.... one is doing spring cleaning at his house, and so in general chit chat, they spoke of how we all dont need to keep the bound volumes or older mags anymore, as everything we need is on the website or cd rom.... i just casually said, "yes, but its nice to have the originals so we can see the original wording and info".

  one of them snapped his neck spinning so quick, frothed at the mouth and said "what do you mean changes?...nothing changes!!".

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  You could have told them that they have a lot of faith in the earthly technology but you'd like to keep the printed copies because they may prove to be a real source of comfort during the GT as we may not even have electricity. You might also add that they may prove invaluable if you threw one or two in your Go Bag.
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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  In true Watchtower Cult behaviour the family can't just discuss their preparation for the convention in a normal manner, they make a family worship night of it. This elevates the arrangements to beyond practicalities and glorifying the GB and their provisions. This is also enhanced by their crazy ideas that these are theocratic arrangements.

  It's so funny that they encourage the sheepies to do a dry run, what an honor this must be to be involved in a pilgramage. This is made even more special by the personal appearance of GB members whom they put on a pedestal by advertising that they will be there and telecasted from that location to many others. Yep, they get to see them live, in concert, all for the cost of a mantra ticket - bargain, the City of Atlanta thank them sincerely.

  Regarding the scripture of Revelation 7:9 that they discuss, who needs Armageddon when they themselves have already identified who the great crowd of Revelation is? Talk about running ahead of Jehovah. That was supposed to be a future event. I just don't understand why they haven't instructed them to wear white robes.
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  What's more to blame- the WT or the bible?

  by keyser soze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  aren't they both just differen't variations of the same lie?

  the only difference is the scale on which their impact on humanity is measured.

  that, and the fact that the bible can exist without the wt, but not vice versa.. but at the end of the day, what's the difference between claiming to be the inspired word of god, or the one true religion?

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  The bible is just the tool. It is men who misuse it to promote their own agenda.
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  Atlanta Int Convention 2014:The Big Party. Does this look like WT believes Armageddon is coming "soon"?

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=potrr2qxhue.

  .. if armageddon is "imminent", why is wt focused on sight-seeing, entertainment, travel, etc.

  instead of preaching and saving people??.

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  "excited with the partnership with downtown Atlanta"

  It is clear that this is a promotional video. They are advertising the City of Atlanta, including it's train service. They are getting themselves so tangled in with the World of Commercialism.

  In the past we have seen Awake articles written about the Cities that their conventions are being held in and it was obvious that as part of their 'arrangement' for holding a convention they would promote that City in order to recieve benefits that the WTBTS could cash in on. They have moved a long way from actively being viewed as 'no part of this world'.

  The original link provided has been disabled. I found I was able to view it by clicking on the link then highlighting the link and pasting it into my web browser. Another method would be to go to the Youtube website then key 'time of your life altlanta convention' into the Youtube search field.
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  1975 end prediction

  by FL_Panthers in

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  2. friends

  does anyone have the article written by the wt saying that the end would come in 1975?.

  how did people back then come to this year?

  i need this information becuase i was told, this was never literally written by the wt in any publication.. thanks.

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  PL Panthers

  From reading all these articles, I get the idea of 6000 years. It seems that most of the witnesses back were looking for an actual date for Armageddon to come. People were only serving jehovah for 1975. Am I right in saying this?

  This may be true of some of the JWs back then. This only points to the Governing Body guilty of creating a stumblying block. If they had not promoted and created the idea of 1975 then the JWs would not have thought to serve God with a date in mind.

  As it is how many now are serving God, not from their heart, but with the idea that they will survive Armageddon, regardless of a set date?
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  How stupid were we??

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. friends

  its unbelievable to me that one verse in the bible blows up the entire jw dogma and its amazing to me that with all this bible reading we jw's did we missed it.

  even faders and people who quit for many reasons missed it.

  what verse am i talking about it verse 9 of chapter 5 of revelations.

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  Revelation 7:4 states in relation to the 144,000

  Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

  Revelation 7:9 states regarding the great crowd

  After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb

  John in this vision only heard the number sealed as being 144,000 and from which tribes of Israel they came from (being 12,000 out of 12 tribes of Israel but if Israel here means mankind in general then what do the individual tribes represent?) He did not see them at this stage.

  After John heard the number he then states that he saw a great multitude which no man could number. If we saw a crowd of 144,000 we would not be able to count them either, we would have to set up some type of procedure in order to do this but just by looking at that many people it would be beyond us to count them.

  This suggests that it was most likely the same group.
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  two Jehovah’s Witnesses were paid millions to restrict WA blood transfusions

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  source: supplied.

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  It would be very interesting to read what was in their reports. As JWs they could never recommend the provision of blood, even at a reduction, under any circumstances. So their reports could not show that reductions should be made here or there, their only conclusion would be that there should be no provision of blood.

  I wonder if the two JWs mentioned this before they were selected.
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  request suggestions

  by tepidpoultry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what can i tell my 5yr old grandson as to why i do not attend meetings anymore?

  my reasons are (among others) the insanity of armageddon.

  at the last meeting that i attended the travelling bro compared gehazi's sin (for which his progeny down to great grandchildren were stricken with leprosy) with materialism.. thanks..

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  Welcome Tepidpoultry.

  I am wondering if you can give us a little more background. Is you son or daughter a JW and have you faded or been disfellowshipped? The reason being is that you may need to be careful as to what you should say to your grandson, his parents may get very upset if you say too much to him. Also, is your grandson asking you questions?