Thanks for posting Blondie, hopefully the mother has been given some good advice and support since the earlier incident.
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Ashya King's mother in the newspaper before
by blondie inparent of brain tumour boy ashya king hit the headlines when living in milton keynes.
the now-famous mum of brain tumour boy ashya king hit the headlines here in milton keynes when she was pregnant with him, the citizen can exclusively reveal.. determined nagmeh king donned a placard over her six- month bump and paraded the streets in a bikini during a battle with a private school five years ago.. she and her husband, who braved arrest to get the right treatment for ashya, lived next door to the grove independent school on redland drive, loughton, for several years, and were prominent members of the citys jehovahs witness community.. a war of words involving lawyers, council official and even police erupted when the school chopped down a boundary hedge, which the kings insisted was theirs.. the row had rumbled on for five years without any resolution until 2009, when then-mum-of-five mrs king took matters into her own hands.. i have walked outside the school with my placards between 8am and 9am every morning, she told the citizen at the time.. im not protesting im just spreading the word as a jehovahs witness should.. other parents complained as she mounted one protest dressed only in her underwear.
but mrs king insisted she was wearing a bikini.. its not shameful or wrong to wear a bikini when youre pregnant, she said.. a neighbour said: it is a crazy sight a half naked pregnant woman protesting outside a private school.. the kings, who described themselves as missionaries at the time, became even angrier when they replaced the hedge with a fence and the school removed it, saying it was on their land.. the family was accused of dumping rotting rubbish on the disputed boundary line, hanging washing outside the window of school head deborah berkin, and playing loud music during school hours.. milton keynes council confirmed it had been called out several times by the school over dumping, while environmental health officials were monitoring the music levels.. mrs king vowed she would continue to fight, saying: the school had no right to take away our privacy.. three months later little ashya was born.. today jehovahs witnesses across the city are remembering the family fondly and praying for ashyas treatment to be a success.. meanwhile neighbours who once watched mrs kings bikini protests are full of admiration for her courage in defying the nhs.. one said: she is a woman not scared of doing battle.
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Geoffrey Jackson & His Wife Attend IC Held In Zimbabwe
by baldeagle inhttps://www.newsday.co.zw/2014/09/11/came-saw-made-zim-richer/.
if this subject was already considered i apologize for that.
it was sent to me this afternoon regarding the international convention recently held; august 22-24 in zimbabwe.
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The GB are flush with money, being able to take their wives on these holidays. With so many cutbacks and laying off long time Bethelites you would think that they might realize that taking their wives with them on these trips is an extravagance they could easily do without and therefore saving the sheepies money for more important uses. Most business people don't get the benefit of taking their wives and generally they would consider it a distraction anyway. The President would be one notable person who travels with his partner, the same as the Queen and this is done for strategic reasons.
It may be a matter that these highly moral men need to have their wife with them to keep temptations away. So much for putting Kingdom interests first.
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FYI all... Mike and Kim You Tube
by ducatijoe inwell if any did not know, mike and kim were shut down on you tube.. they are back on under kim mikey.. .
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Thanks Ducatijoe, looks like they're even more motivated now.
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w14 12/15-E Study Edition
by wifibandit inclick "premium download".
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pdf: http://bayfiles.net/file/1kv2k/uaqn2y/w_e20141215.pdf.
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Wifibandit, there is a copyright on this material and it is illegal to copy it in full. Posting snippets for particular purposes can fall within fair use.
Don't be surprised when this is deleted.
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For 46 years Jehovah's Witnesses compromised their worship in Mexico to retain ownership of material property
by Watchtower-Free inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohven3gjlk.
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DHH here is the quote from the 1995 yearbook
La Torre del Vigía de México—A Cultural Society
"You will recall that back in 1932 La Torre del Vigía de México had been authorized by the government. However, there were obstacles because of the restrictions that the law imposed on all religions. Objections were raised to the house-to-house activity of the Witnesses, since the law stipulated that ‘every religious act of public worship must be held inside the temples.’ For the same reason, objections were raised to our conventions in public places. This was a problem, because these conventions were constantly getting larger. Owning property also presented problems, because the law required that every building used for religious purposes had to become federal property.
For these and other reasons, the Society decided that it would be wise to reorganize, with a view to giving greater emphasis to the educational nature of our work. Therefore, on June 10, 1943, application was made to the Secretariat of Foreign Affairs to register La Torre del Vigía as a civil society, and this was approved on June 15, 1943.
With this rearrangement, singing at our meetings was discontinued, and the meeting places became known as Halls for Cultural Studies. No audible prayers were said at meetings, though nothing could prevent a person from saying an earnest prayer silently in his heart. Every appearance of a religious service was avoided, and truly our meetings are designed for education. When Witnesses in other lands began to call their local groups “congregations,” the Witnesses in Mexico kept on using the term “companies.” House-to-house visits by the Witnesses continued, and with even more zeal; but direct use of the Bible at doors was avoided. Instead, publishers learned the texts by heart so that they could quote them. They also made good use of the book “Make Sure of All Things,” which is a compilation of Scripture quotations on many subjects. Only on return visits and on studies (which were termed “cultural” instead of “Bible”) was the Bible itself used.
The principal work of Jehovah’s Witnesses remained the same, namely, preaching the good news of God’s Kingdom." -
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pioneer book
by itisme indoes anyone have the pioneer book?
the new one: fully accomplish your ministry.
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Why can't you simply order the Pioneer book at your Congregation? I'm sure there would be no problem supplying this highly educational book to any JW with a sincere interest in the house to house wrok.
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wh.gov logo
by DavidG ini have a question about the whitehouse web logo.
i've only seen it on witehouse webvideos out of the wh.org website.
it looks very much like a logo we all know.. a picture of mr. obama with the logo in the upper right corner taken drom a webvideo out of wh.org:.
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Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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Wow MacHislopp, it is hard to top that research, it is very thorough, thanks.
Cofty brought up the policy of 'probation' in the 60s and 70s, I was not aware of this and indeed, it can be found on the WT Library. The last mention was in 1972 W 2/15. The earliest mention in the Library (which only goes back to the 1950 Watchtower was in 1952 3/1 under 'reinstatement' (of disfellowshipping). 'QFR" W 1954 9/1 goes into much more detail as to when and how it applied
When does probation apply? Before disfellowshiping, during it, or after reinstatement?—L. D., United States.
If a brother has done some wrong that merits disfellowshiping, yet the congregation committee feels that he should not be disfellowshiped because of his sincere repentance or other extenuating circumstances, rather than disfellowshiping him the committee might put him on probation. The committee would set the terms of this probation according to their judgment, having in mind the facts or needs of the particular case involved. If the erring brother complies fully with the terms of the probation for the period of time prescribed by the committee the probation may then be lifted and no disfellowshiping takes place.
If a brother is disfellowshiped, however, he would not also be put on probation. He is cut off from the congregation and the congregation has nothing to do with him, exercises no control over him outside the congregation, puts no restrictions on him outside in the world....
If a disfellowshiped person shows sincere repentance and desires to be reinstated, the committee may reinstate him after the lapse of what it considers a suitable length of time. When this is done the committee may wish to impose some restraints and put the individual on probation. The committee may now do this, since the person has been reinstated and is again a part of the congregation, the congregation now having resumed dealings with the individual.
Hence, in answer to the question, a person may be put on probation without disfellowshiping or after reinstatement from being disfellowshiped, but it is completely illogical for the committee to try to establish probation over a person they cast out and do not even have dealings with. They only talk to him if he comes to them to discuss the matter of his reinstatement. To illustrate, a person in society may break a law. He is convicted and sent to jail. He has been removed from the community; he is not on probation when he is disfellowshiped from society and held in jail. But when he is released and returned to society he may be put on probation and have to live under certain restraints and report regularly to some officer. Or it may be that when he is found guilty instead of being sent to jail sentence may be suspended and he is put on probation, never being removed from society...
Notice their rules states
but it is completely illogical for the committee to try to establish probation over a person they cast out and do not even have dealings with
Yet this is exactly what they are doing today. Rather than placing no authority or rulership over a disfellowshipped person because he is no longer part of the congregation, they prescribe to the dfd person what they want him to do in order to be reinstated. Among other things he must attend meetings and demonstrate to them (not God) his repentance in some physical form. Interestingly, they don't call this 'probation' but within their own definitions this is what it is. In their own words, they are now acting in an illogical manner.
So in the past, if a person was seeking to be reinstated then he was at that point in time, accepted back as a member of the congregation and simply put on restrictions/restraints.
I had wondered why a person who was disfellowshipped and rejected from the congregation was still allowed to attend and actually participate in congregational worship by joining in the prayers and songs of praises. In the past this was addressed by allowing him back into the fold but placed on restrictions but today there is no explanation as to why they have this double standard.
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JW's and the axe
by why144000 inthe current state of the jws reminds me of the old joke about the father passing on an axe to his son.
he says son, this axe has been used in our family for 5 generations.
we have changed the handle a few times and twice had to put on a new blade but it is still the same axe your great grandfather used.. .
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Very good. Hopefully that son just recognizes it as a bit of notalgia and now uses a chain saw.
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SHOCKING elder's talk: "..when we are baptized we abdicate all responsibility to think for ourselves.."
by yadda yadda 2 ini found this recorded elder's talk (presumably genuine) quite disturbing in how he states that in order to maintain unity, jw's have given up thinking for themselves and passed over their thinking ability to the governing body.. "when you're baptized, your thinking is not your own anymore...your thinking is done for you...we carry out to the letter everything the society tells us to do..." .
his concluding statement "stop thinking for yourselves!".
there's the usual reference to the korah and those who challenged moses, but "you in the congregation are safe as long as you don't speak out against the elders and jehovah's organisation...".
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It's not real Yadda, for one thing there is absolutely no background noise such as people coughing but if you listen to his other video's it becomes more obvious.