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THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

by wifibandit in

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this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

Listener

The GB are talking about themselves when they say this. How do they know that some who claim they are anointed only do so because they have mental or emotional problems? They themselves are doing the judging by claiming so.

What really bothers me is when they quote scripture and say that God knows those that belong to him because they are saying that most jws and every other Christian don't.

One week they say it's not important to know who are anointed and the next week they say that your salvation depends upon supporting the anointed.

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Do they notice who no longer gives donations?

by onightdivine in

because i haven't put in a single dime for over a year now in the box at the kh.

the usual custom is to put money in there right after the meetings.

but heck, i already spend so much in car fuel just to attend - i don't care really if the gb starves and dies.. oops.. anyway, do the elders take note who's donating and who's not?.

Listener

I hardly ever saw anyone put money into the box because I didn't look. If someone notices that you haven't donated then they must be keeping watch on everyone which makes them look pretty bad if they were to say anything.

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Watchtowers million dollar scam

by GeddyLee in

back in the late eighties i was on the committee to build our cities new double kingdom hall so that all five halls would be under one roof.

we needed to come up with five hundred thousand dollars to complete the new hall, so we had a kingdom hall fund drive where the local brothers would raise the needed funds.

after two years we had collected the half million dollars, and guess where that money went????????

Listener

Crazyguy, more than likely, dropping interest charges were due to changes in legislation. If they were loaning money and requiring interest then they would be seen to be a loan company and be subject to stringent requirements and possibly taxation. It is possible that legislation was further refined and it didn't matter if they were charging interest or not.

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JW Sister: raped, pregnant what does she do?, abortion or adoption?

by Olivia Wilde in

this question came out frequently from a situation known to some of us who knew of 2 cases.... if a single or married sister gets rapped by stranger or incest, a pregnancy results, she is not allowed to have an abortion but neither is she allowed to give it up for adoption?...i always question why not up for adoption?...

no you will be blood guilty because the child won't be raised in the "truth"... hmmmmm does anyone heard of that?

is it a matter of consciousness?

Listener

Here's a link to a JW section of an adoption forum.

https://adoption.com/forums/thread/331698/jehovah-039-s-witness-looking-to-adopt-from-foster-care/

On person mentions that there is an Awake article that supports single JW females adopting children but they don't say which Awake it was.

Another person states that a person who wants to adopt their child out can specify that they only want their child to go to persons of a particular religion.

I knew of a Canadian JW couple that adopted an Asian girl because they weren't able to have one naturally. The JW girl became pregnant when she was about 18 and still single. The father was also a JW, his father was an elder. The Canadian couple adopted the child.

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Shunning legal since 1987

by TheWonderofYou in

legality[edit].

in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

Listener

The WTBTS is being challenged in Sweden because of some of their practices, including shunning. The org. is still fighting to be recognized as a religion and receive all the benefits that come with it, including taxation and Government Funding.

Here's a link to further information

http://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/sweden/session_21_-_january_2015/eajcw_-_european_association_of_jehovahs_christian_witnesses.pdf

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Stay Alive to '75 - MP3 Talk

by AlphaOmega in

i have been e-mailed another watchtower talk .

it is the famous "stay alive 'to 75" talk by charles sunutko given in 1967.. it is entitled "serving with everlasting life in view" (final spring 1967 sheboygan, wisconsin).

it has left witnesses that i played it to silent.

Listener

I came across this talk when looking at the large archive of Public Talks available on line. Instead of starting a new thread with the link I thought it was better to resurrect this thread. It includes the whole transcript of the talk and more background information.

Although the Brother says that the Society has made it clear in the publications that Armageddon will occur in 1975 as only a possibility most of his talk is based on the idea that it will happen. He states clearly that the door will be shut before 1975 and if you aren't inside the organization then you will not be saved.

The source that can be used if you want to show it to a JW begins here (it is under the 1967 Spring Circuit Assembly)

http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/Circuit/CircuitPrograms.html

The next link from there brings you to the Assembly program

http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/Circuit/1967SpringCA.html

This is a link to the talk which was the last talk of the three day Assembly

http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/Circuit/Sinutko%20Charles%20-%20Serving%20With%20Everlasting%20Life%20in%20View.mp3

Another link to the talk is the last one on this list

http://muzyabra.com/mp3/serving-with-everlasting-life-in-view-download.html

This is a Youtube link but wouldn't be JW friendly and the sound is not as good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzwjaAGJsNQ

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Yippee bro lesh just gave me permission to love my disfelowshipped friends.

by poopie in

jw
friends

not that i needed the gbs permission but i will take it anyway.

dureing the jw tv show i almost spit out my popcorn when he said jw can even show love to non witnesses then it dawned on me df people are not witnesses because the anouncment states they are no longer jw so now its official technically you can show love to non witnesses out of his own mouth thank you bro lesh now i have your permissiion to do what god and jesus do ha ha .

Listener

The jws believe they are showing love by shunning disfellowshiped persons.

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Hidden From Jehovah's Witness videos

by Vortex in

this video deal with some really important information that i wanted to share with you all, looks like it may have hit a nerve in the watchtower, because the stock link he mentioned in the video has been taken down, it was up yesterday, he says he plays chess and anticipated they would do that, so he supplied a secondary link to the same information.

the entire 8 part series is very informative exposing alot about watchtower doctrine, and hidden elements.

here is the link to the video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0lrdx3vpug.

Listener

They cannot control where the money is invested but they accept themselves as a beneficiary of the trust. In other words, they directly benefit from the investments of the trust.

They could choose to remove themselves from the trust and have nothing to do with it.

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Are The Governing Body Anointed?

by freemindfade in

for any lurkers, i just want to put a thought out there for you.

like me maybe during your life as a jw the "thing" that causes someone to know if they are anointed was always a bit of mystery, except to those who claimed they knew.

i had heard it explained to me many ways, and like many things i just said "ok, well thats an answer... i guess".

Listener

By declaring themselves as anointed they have admitted that God has sent them a special message that was specifically to them. There is no reason why God would not also convey to them other bible truths in the same manner. Every time they change teachings proves that this is not happening. We only have their word for it that they are anointed and their word is inaccurate.

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Is disfellowshipping a loving arrangement?

by mana11 in

i read this post, i voted and the ones saying it is a loving arrangement is over 68%, i am mind blown - what fool can think it is a loving arrangement.

lets teach them that is it not thought of as loving...your chance to let these people know if dis-fellowshipping is a loving arrangement!..

http://www.jehovahs-witness.org/is-disfellowshipping-a-loving-arrangement/.

Listener

Voted no.