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Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY
by cappytan inthis took quite a while this evening.
so worth it though.
hope you enjoy!
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The song fits so well, you've done a good job. -
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New Apostasy Trial on YouTube
by Listener ina guy by the name of son of thunder has just uploaded his apostasy trial.
it is really impressive and this guy knows his stuff.
he is very engaging and a pleasure to listen to.
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It's a pleasure Arwen and Wannaexit, Son of Thunder did a tremendous job, he's going through some personal hardships but made the extra effort in the hope that others might benefit.
The more these hearings are recorded and shared the more it exposes both TTATT and mindset of Elders.
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We give more to the Watchtower Society than for our local KH
by James Jack ini have been doing the accounts for our local congregation now for 3 years.
i just thought, wow our local expenses total just $500 a month, yet we have an ongoing expense each month of $600 for the kh expansion work(ie:world wide work), $60 for the traveling overseer insurance and $54 for the local kingdom hall insurance, in addition to the operating committee expense of $525.. so, our one congregation sends $714 a month plus what the publishers contribute towards the world wide work usually between $600 to $700 per month.
in other words, we are at least sending, for our little congregation of 75 publishers, $1314 a month!
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Most JWs have been conditioned on the idea that HQ needs their money to support the printing work as well as missionaries/special pioneers.
What the organization has managed to do in the last few years is reduce both these provisions significantly but inculcate a new way of thinking in the minds of the average JW, making them believe that even more money is needed than before.
It is amazing how they have been able to achieve this without any physical proof that more money is needed rather than less.
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According to YouTube Egyptian bethel closing and special pioneer's
by Crazyguy inaccording to you tubers mike and kim and son of thunder, egyptian branch closing.
son of thunder is saying he has relatives that we're running bethel in egypt for years and they have been let go reassigned as special pioneers yet according to him this job no longer pays a wage.
he also states that 5000 total bethelites world wide are being let go.
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"There are small numbers of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, but the Government does not recognize either group.....The Government banned Jehovah's Witnesses in 1960 since which time it has, to varying degrees, subjected them to harassment and surveillance. The Witnesses were legally registered in Cairo in 1951 and Alexandria in 1956 and their presence in the country dates to the 1930s. The Government attributes its refusal to grant the Jehovah's Witnesses registration to the opposition of the Coptic Orthodox Church, which has condemned the group as heretical, as well as to its lingering Nasser-era suspicion of links between Witnesses and the State of Israel."
The above is a summary from Wikipedia regarding the position of JWs in Egypt.
It is probably the JWs earlier teachings when Russell taught of a restoration of the physical/earthly Israel that has caused this opposition that they still experience.
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According to YouTube Egyptian bethel closing and special pioneer's
by Crazyguy inaccording to you tubers mike and kim and son of thunder, egyptian branch closing.
son of thunder is saying he has relatives that we're running bethel in egypt for years and they have been let go reassigned as special pioneers yet according to him this job no longer pays a wage.
he also states that 5000 total bethelites world wide are being let go.
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ECOI reports this about JWs in Egypt
Egypt: Situation of Jehovah's Witnesses, including treatment by society and the authorities and state protection available (2009-July 2013) [EGY104502.E]
Research Directorate, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, Ottawa
The US Central Intelligence Agency World Factbook indicates that 90 percent of Egyptians are Muslim, 9 percent are Coptic, and 1 percent are "other Christian" (10 July 2013). The US International Religious Freedom Report for 2012 says that there are 1,000 to 1,500 Jehovah's Witnesses in Egypt (US 20 May 2013, 3).
Sources report that Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in Egypt in 1960 (European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses 26 Aug. 2009, 2; US Apr. 2013, 56). The US International Religious Freedom Report for 2012indicates that the government does not "recognize" Jehovah's Witnesses (US 20 May 2013, 3). Jehovah's Witnesses have attempted to gain legal recognition in court, but in December 2009, the Seventh Circuit Administrative Court denied their request for legal status (EIPR Jan. 2010, para.7; US Apr. 2013, 57) and they are appealing the verdict (ibid.). In 26 July 2013 correspondence with the Research Directorate, the General Counsel of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses in New York, "a central group of experienced elders who oversee the worldwide congregation" (Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania n.d.), stated that Jehovah's Witnesses "do not have legal recognition to operate openly" (Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses 26 July 2013). According to the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), an "independent rights organization" established in Egypt in 2002 (n.d.), Notice no. 9/1985 issued on 21 August 1985 bans notaries from
... "taking any measure to notarize a marriage contract in which one or both spouses declare their Christian religion to be Jehovah's Witnesses. No measure may be taken to notarize signatures or dates on any documents issued by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Association, which is the Jehovah's Witnesses Association." (EIPR Jan. 2010, para. 7)
In their submission to the UN Human Rights Council for the 2010 Universal Periodic Review for Egypt, the European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses said that Jehovah's Witnesses may not obtain houses of worship in Egypt (26 Aug. 2009, 2). The US Commission on International Religious Freedom's Annual Report 2013, which covers the period from 31 January 2012 to 31 January 2013, explains that "Egyptian authorities continue to conduct surveillance and sometimes impede [Jehovah's Witnesses] private worship" (US Apr. 2013, 56). However, the report also indicates that the Egyptian government allows Jehovah's Witnesses to meet in private homes in groups of less than 30 people (ibid.), and the General Counsel of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses similarly said that these private gatherings are allowed with "30 or so" Witnesses (26 July 2013).
The EIPR indicated that, according to a 2009 press release by the National Council for Human Rights, Jehovah's Witnesses face "several problems in achieving acceptance, particularly among the Orthodox Church" (EIPRJan. 2010, para. 43). A 2010 report by The Heritage Foundation, a think tank "whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense" (n.d.), also states that, in Egypt,
... leaders of the Orthodox Church have been willing to use the state's power to fight challenges from other Christian traditions. Historically, Protestant mainstream churches were viewed as the enemy. Currently, groups such as Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists, and the Mormons pose a threat to the traditional church. (9 Nov. 2010, 5-6)
The EIPR indicates Pope Shenouda, patriarch of the Holy See of St. Mark of Orthodox Copts, described Jehovah's Witnesses as a "set of heresies and perversions of the Book" (EIPR Jan. 2010, para. 7). The EIPR added that, according to members of the European delegation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, "members are considered Zionists and violators of human rights principles, which has obstructed the exercise of their basic rights" (ibid.).
The General Counsel of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses stated that "the current situation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Egypt is stable" (Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses 26 July 2013). He added that, in the past, Jehovah's Witnesses have been subject to "beatings and torture as recently as five to seven years ago, loss of employment, threats and harassment, deportations, and other difficulties at the hands of authorities" (ibid.). However, he said that "there have been no recent incidents of violence against Witnesses since the time of the revolution" (ibid.). The General Counsel of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses further explained that, in his view, the military "has had no issue with Jehovah's Witnesses .... it has been the way in Egypt for many years that the police closely scrutinize most any group of people, but their monitoring of Witnesses is now unthreatening" (26 July 2013). Corroboration could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate within the time constraints of this Response.
This Response was prepared after researching publicly accessible information currently available to the Research Directorate within time constraints. This Response is not, and does not purport to be, conclusive as to the merit of any particular claim for refugee protection. Please find below the list of sources consulted in researching this Information Request.
http://www.ecoi.net/local_link/265597/379535_en.html
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Thanks Petra, it is a great, direct link to the letter.
The first video feature is in relation to their self promotion at a large nautical event in Amsterdam, August 2015. Apparently it took 600 volunteers to distribute 6200 books and leaflets. I guess most people were focused on the event.
From the official website of SAIL Amsterdam are listed their objectives, great to see the Witnesses supporting them in their endeavours.
Within SAIL Event Partners, the SAIL Amsterdam Foundation is dedicated to achieving the following objectives:
- Promoting the city and Port of Amsterdam, the North Sea Canal Area and the municipalities within the SAIL Area.
- Fostering interest in classic sailing ships, round and flat bottoms, training ships and the like.
- Inspiring enthusiasm in younger audiences in regards to sailing at sea and inland, and also in Dutch seafaring and its history.
(Commentary attached to the following photo)
Public witnessing at the SAIL nautical event in Amsterdam. 28 different cart locations from 8:00-20:00. More than 6200 books and brochures placed in 7 days. Photo shared by @demas.93 by jw_witnesses
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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation
by OrphanCrow incourt denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.
a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.
http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.
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They disfellowship a large amount of people after confession on the basis that they are not repentant, therefore it can only be concluded that these people were not interested in seeking spiritual guidance in the first instance which is why clergy privelage is given in the first place. -
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New Apostasy Trial on YouTube
by Listener ina guy by the name of son of thunder has just uploaded his apostasy trial.
it is really impressive and this guy knows his stuff.
he is very engaging and a pleasure to listen to.
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Son of Thunder delayed the trial by a week so he could get a spy camera. -
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According to YouTube Egyptian bethel closing and special pioneer's
by Crazyguy inaccording to you tubers mike and kim and son of thunder, egyptian branch closing.
son of thunder is saying he has relatives that we're running bethel in egypt for years and they have been let go reassigned as special pioneers yet according to him this job no longer pays a wage.
he also states that 5000 total bethelites world wide are being let go.
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Is the organisation becoming over reliant on the internet and producing as many translations as they can in spreading the good news? Closing down branch's like Egypt, when they have already been able to establish an underground operation without much Government interference might be a bad move for them.
They will need a really good support network and I thought that was what the Branch's were all about as well as being 'organized'.
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New Apostasy Trial on YouTube
by Listener ina guy by the name of son of thunder has just uploaded his apostasy trial.
it is really impressive and this guy knows his stuff.
he is very engaging and a pleasure to listen to.
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A guy by the name of Son of Thunder has just uploaded his apostasy trial. It is really impressive and this guy knows his stuff. He is very engaging and a pleasure to listen to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34xtDSX_kRc&feature=em-subs_digest