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  Approved in 1919?

  by Labate in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm a little puzzled.

  if the wtbts was not approved by jehovah and christ until 1919, does that mean that they were not spirit guided until then?.

  if not, that would explain the countless errors in doctrine up to that time.. if, however, they were spirit guided, wouldn't that indicate that they had already been chosen?.

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  Labate, what would explain their countless errors after 1919?
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  New Article - Watchtower View of Homosexuality

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have thought about writing this article for many years, and the awake!

  2014 no.4 was the final straw.

  there it states that jehovah's witnesses show no prejudice towards homosexuals, and "they neither mock nor mistreat people whose practices differ from their own.

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  From JW Survey, leaked CO talk outline to Elders
  
  
  
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  New Article - Watchtower View of Homosexuality

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have thought about writing this article for many years, and the awake!

  2014 no.4 was the final straw.

  there it states that jehovah's witnesses show no prejudice towards homosexuals, and "they neither mock nor mistreat people whose practices differ from their own.

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  One Eyed Joe referred to a video instruction for Elders. I don't know where this is, however, there are a couple of written sources.
  
  You could add this written instruction that was in the leaked 130 page CO guideline and states
  
  

  If the body of elders agrees that a brother or sister is blatantly and deliberately ignoring repeated counsel, and his or her dress and grooming is disturbing to the congregation, the elders may determine that the person no longer qualifies to share in the ministry. In such rare cases, no announcement would be made to the congregation. (Chapter 10 – point 9)
  

  
  If you think appropriate, you could add this where you make the following comment to show the lengths they are willing to go by personally making judgements that individuals will not qualify to engage in ministry activity even though they normally advocate that this is considered to be a biblical instruction that we are each individually responsible to undertake.  It is not specific in stating what is unacceptable dress but fits in with your comments.  Crazily, it also shows a 'mob' mentality.

  It shows how all-controlling Watchtower leaders want to be, when a well dressed man in a business suit can be counselled for their clothing.

  
  Then there is the another leaked document which is a CO outline to be discussed only with the Elders and found at the following site.
  
  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/the-tight-pants-rule-wearing-disturbing-clothing-gets-you-banned-from-preaching
  
  I'll post the extract in a separate post following as it will otherwise mess up this post.
  
  You may not want to include it as I don't know if the source has been verified, it does look genuine and if a JW wanted to verify it they could approach a CO with a copy. (Personally I take great issue that they secretly hide these additional instructions from the r&f).
  
  The outline encompasses a whole new issue here - men leaning towards dressing and displaying effeminate qualities and females dressing or grooming in a more masculine way.
  
  If you want to include it there is a huge thread that discusses the many issues that it raises, I would be happy to go through it and make a summary of it if you want. This is not a small issue and goes well beyond their public stand on homosexuality (and well beyond anything the bible instructs).
  
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5418446820999168/no-tight-pants-policy-now-official-classed-disturbing?page=20&size=10
  
  
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  New Article - Watchtower View of Homosexuality

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have thought about writing this article for many years, and the awake!

  2014 no.4 was the final straw.

  there it states that jehovah's witnesses show no prejudice towards homosexuals, and "they neither mock nor mistreat people whose practices differ from their own.

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  Listener

  That's a great article and you have covered many aspects.

  Just a few errors spotted -

  It shows how all-controlling Watchtower leaders want to be, when a well dressed man in a business suit can be counselling for their clothing.

  Counselled instead of counselling
  

  It is inappropriate for a young child to try and convince her friend that her parents are sinners, particularly when that child has no option but to live with them?

  This appears to be a statement rather than a question, although it would be better for it to remain as a question. I gather 'it is' was meant to be 'is it'.

  This is a poor illustration, as there is no comparison between discarding an aerosol deodorant and being forced to change your identity.

  I don't think it was an aerosol can that was identified as being objectionable, it was the bag/contents of the bag or in other words 'unacceptable baggage'.

  since in paradise all desire for sex will be gone. Watchtower teaches that there will be no marriage in the New System.[1]The only married people in paradise will be those that survive Armageddon with their marriage partner, who alone will bear children.

  They now teach that they don't know whether resurrected ones on earth will be able to marry or not.

  Wt 14 8/15 "Is there any reason to believe that those who are resurrected on earth will be able to marry? We cannot say.

  For many years, our publications have said that Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married likely refer to the resurrection on earth. Also, our publications have said that in the new world, resurrected ones will most likely not marry.* (See footnote.) (Matthew 22:29, 30; Mark 12:24, 25; Luke 20:34-36) However, is it possible that Jesus’ words refer to a resurrection to heaven? Without being definite about this matter, let us examine what Jesus said."
  
  
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  Now finally Caleb & Sofia Anti-Gay Video going viral in Germany too

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today spiegel online & bento have an article about the anti-gay video.. spiegel is one of the biggest and most serious news media in germany.. they also report and show that youtubers cut the video and changed it in a funny way.

  sofia tells her mother that the teacher said it's fine if they live each other.

  then sofia's mother says: "thats wonderful.".

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  Good point Giordano. Lots of kids have two mothers, their birth mother and stepmother.
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  JWs standing on mats whilst Cart Witnessing

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've come across a guy on youtube that has been approaching numerous jws in public cart witnessing.

  actually, calling it witnessing is beyond a joke because most of the time they are just standing there and in the case of this youtuber, they walk away in silence or turn their heads.the youtuber is not a jw and i don't think he ever was, he calls himself a christian and i don't think he is affiliated with any particular religion.there is one video where he shows about 4 jws standing on a square plate with a yellow marking on the edge, they each have their own plate.

  i am curious as to why they are standing on these?

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  Thanks guys. Sounds like I should get one for the kitchen.
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  JWs standing on mats whilst Cart Witnessing

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've come across a guy on youtube that has been approaching numerous jws in public cart witnessing.

  actually, calling it witnessing is beyond a joke because most of the time they are just standing there and in the case of this youtuber, they walk away in silence or turn their heads.the youtuber is not a jw and i don't think he ever was, he calls himself a christian and i don't think he is affiliated with any particular religion.there is one video where he shows about 4 jws standing on a square plate with a yellow marking on the edge, they each have their own plate.

  i am curious as to why they are standing on these?

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  I've come across a guy on Youtube that has been approaching numerous JWs in public Cart Witnessing. Actually, calling it Witnessing is beyond a joke because most of the time they are just standing there and in the case of this Youtuber, they walk away in silence or turn their heads.
  

  
  The Youtuber is not a JW and I don't think he ever was, he calls himself a Christian and I don't think he is affiliated with any particular religion.
  
  There is one Video where he shows about 4 JWs standing on a square plate with a yellow marking on the edge, they each have their own plate.
  
  I am curious as to why they are standing on these? A possibility is that it is some sort or rubber and provide some sort of safety benefit when standing for long periods of time.

  https://youtu.be/xfMpVl8C8DI?list=PL1lVda_0oh0IQ8UR9L7sAyXJgAyrVhowI&t=613
  
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  I'm getting baptized

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.

  my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.

  i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.

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  You could try opening up to the Elder that goes through the baptismal questions with you. Tell him that you don't feel quite ready and that you are doing it to please your parents because you are afraid that they might withhold something from you, like driving lessons.

  
  

  When your dad slaps you on the face again, call the police and have him charged.

  You don't need to be abused and if you start getting others in on it things will change.
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  I'm still on my JWN holidays but had to pop back to share this experience.

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm a postman with the royal mail and was assigned to train a new starter yesterday.

  my line manager introduces me to 'dave', within seconds my jw radar was on maximum!

  in his mid to late 30's, politely spoken and with that haircut - i just knew it.. the post he'd applied for was saturdays only, he said he did a lot of volunteer work.

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  I wonder what will prove more dangerous to this guy? Working on the sorting floor or on the contaminated site.
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  Gorby says goodbye

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my eyes for ttatt opened in 1995 with the generation change and the wt magazine stated "some witness thought that the generation started in 1914".

  since 1997, with internet at low speed, i followed h2o hourglass, www.xjw.com and later on www.jehovahs-witness.net.. did a bachelor and post bachelor since then.. now, nearly completed with fading, i feel it's time to go on with my life and do some other things, spending more time with my wife abd children instead of thinking about jw topics in my head.

  goal is being a better person and less grumpy at 45.... everything what could be said is already said.

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  Gorby, I'll miss you but your family is more important than anything. All the best and thanks for your past contributions.