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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  Fisherman, to be more specific, by going public, how did that act in itself break any JW rules which he had allegedly agreed to in the past?
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  Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

  they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

  but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

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  In the 2016 GT bunker video they show a brother who realise that the message had changed from preaching the good news to a judgement one. A sister points out the change which they had been advised about.

  From this we can gather that it will be the Org. that declares this change, which is what most would expect. However, if one Bro. didn't know and the others only knew because there was an announcement then they are saying that it would not be obvious.
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  Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

  they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

  but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

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  It would be to their advantage to call the GT, it would help them to explain the reduction in numbers and the lack of printed material.

  The July 2015 Watchtower introduces a whole new idea of what will be required of JWs during the GT. It tells them that they will be required to be obedient to the Governing Body (Christ's brothers) and that they will need to make some sacrifices, with the only sacrifice mentioned being that they will have to give up their material possession.

  Their problem is that the start of the GT is supposed to be marked by the UN destroying false religion, I don't know how they would explain that away.

  Here's the comments in the 2015 July Watchtower

  What will happen after the destruction of false religious organizations? It will be a time to reveal what is really in our heart. The majority of mankind will seek refuge in human organizations that are likened to “the rocks of the mountains.” (Rev. 6:15-17) Figuratively speaking, however, God’s people will flee to the refuge that Jehovah provides. In the first century, the interval was not a time for a mass conversion of Jews to Christianity. It was a time for action and obedience on the part of those who were already Christians. Similarly, we cannot expect that the future interruption in the great tribulation will result in an influx of new believers. Rather, it will be an opportunity for all true believers to prove their love for Jehovah and give their support to Christ’s brothers.—Matt. 25:34-40.
  8 Although we do not fully understand all that will happen during that time of test, we can expect that it will involve some measure of sacrifice. In the first century, Christians had to leave behind their possessions and endure hardships in order to survive. (Mark 13:15-18) To remain faithful, will we be willing to experience material loss? Will we be ready to do whatever is required of us to prove our loyalty to Jehovah? Just think! At that time, we will be the only ones following the example of the ancient prophet Daniel by continuing to worship our God no matter what.—Dan. 6:10, 11.
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  Day 1 @ the RC

  by Shunned Again in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  morning part 1. .

  .chairmins address.

  show loyalty by shunning family memebers no mater what.. part2 be loyal in thought.

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  Yes CrazyGuy or the supposedly hypothetical FDS that turned wicked and beat the flock into subservience whilst they sat back, begged for money and moved into newly built accommodation, built by those very slaves (who took time away from their own families and jobs whilst their travels were supported by their kids selling their cows).
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  Is JW.org being played?

  by jw07 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wackkicmf4k.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lsyndc1me.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnk52bu92oe.

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  The song Eternal Flame is produced by Audiomachine and is on an Album called Epica. This album includes songs such as Transcendence, New Earth and Tribes.
  
  Another Album produced by Audiomachine includes songs called Guardians at the Gate, 11 days in Hell, Creation, Redemption, Battle of the Kings, Hymm of the rising, The Messenger.
  
  The list goes on with all their albums. I am sure I am hearing the choir sing the word God a number of times in Eternal Flame but I would consider it very spiritual music If the creator of the music/lyrics is a JW I could see them approving this music without any conflict of conscience, if not, they are imposing their conscience on all JWs.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiomachine
  
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  There are numerous reports of what was said about him in the Congregations. I personally heard how he was at the lead in this apostasy movement. That he was spreading false teachings and that he was only interested in gathering followers for himself and to make money from it.
  
  You are right about the Watchtower not needing to do anything about it. However, I was under the impression that they try to do things in a similar manner to the first Century christians. From the secret JC's to the disfellowshipping of individuals without the Congregation knowing of the 'sin', none of this is similar. Disfellowshipping for having a meal with a df'd person is also unbiblical.
  
  

  Fisherman - He went public and by doing that he broke the rules that he subscribed to when he joined jw.

  
  What rules are these that he subscribed to when he joined?

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  ¡Great Leak! Compleat Program: Jehovah's Witnesses' 2016 Regional Convention, "Remain Loyal to Jehovah!"

  by hildebrando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  download and see:.

  http://hildeydesa.blogspot.cl/2016/06/compleat-program-jehovahs-witnesses.html.

  please, use laptot, google chrome and load twice.

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  Thanks for the warning JWLeaks
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  Fisherman TMS, It would not be fair to RF to publish anything more about his case than what is publicly known without him being around to defend any claims and I am not saying that there is anything more because even implying it would not be fair to the man

  
  He was a Governing Body member and they df'd him. There were all sorts of rumors and lies that were being spread around about him.
  
  The Watchtower should have published the truth about the situation rather than let lies be spread.
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  Cover of the September 2016 Watchtower.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the cover of the 2016 september watchtower has an islander couple preaching.

  the brother looks like he may be fijian in a traditional skirt standing in a river, doing a presentation on an apple ipad.

  i can't imagine there are many families that can afford an ipad in the pacific islands.

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  I was appalled at the photo. Here was a stranger, a man, trying to entice the kids with a flashy cartoon, he may as well have had a bag of lollies.
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  Can anyone allay my suspicions?

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  can you allay my suspicions of wt associated activity?.

  during the last 3 to 4 co visits, i noticed a predeliction on the part of the ladt few co's for taking photos at fs meetings and photos of cong at end of visit.

  i'm beginning to suspect that such is not because the co's have a newly found socially engaging disposition (being cool).

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  The new blood card also gives authority for the organisation to have medical knowledge about individuals.