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The Hypocrisy Of A Judical Committee

by pale.emperor in

i posted the elders training school video of how to conduct a judicial committee on my youtube channel last night.

it got me thinking of the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

and also how in their own publications they ridiculed the pharisees for the way they dealt with jesus... which is the very same manner they use on the flock.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzmgjjpafk.

Listener

But you're all forgetting one important thing. They pray for God's Holy Spirit to guide them, so it's not possible for them to get it wrong.

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Moving to Warwick Video incl. Morning Worship

by Listener in

a new video is up about the commencement of moving to warwick.shawn bartlett tells the viewers that jehovah has said, through the governing body, ‘it’s time to move out of brooklyn.

‘ then helper robert lucciona says ‘ the governing body, these brothers, as soon as they see god’s direction, they just move, it doesn’t matter if it is long held, cherished ideas, this is the way it has to be done, as soon as they see jehovahs direction.

he just kept nudging imperfect humans, he knew where he wanted us and then we end up where we are supposed to be.

Listener

A new video is up about the commencement of moving to Warwick.

Shawn Bartlett tells the viewers that Jehovah has said, through the Governing Body, ‘it’s time to move out of Brooklyn. ‘ Then helper Robert Lucciona says ‘ The Governing Body, these Brothers, as soon as they see God’s direction, they just move, It doesn’t matter if it is long held, cherished ideas, this is the way it has to be done, as soon as they see Jehovahs direction. He just kept nudging imperfect humans, he knew where he wanted us and then we end up where we are supposed to be.'

According to them, the believe that in the World time is of the essence, cost is not a consideration and people are not a consideration. Of course, jehovah’s org. Is different and on this occasion, Jehovah knew that they needed constant spiritual food so they took time out for morning worship.

One thing is certain, they realized that without the help of all those Bro’s and Sisters, nothing would have got done. They’re obviously a real brainy lot, this bunch.

Warwick has been a training ground to teach people skills that they will use for an eternity.

Lett then appears in the first Morning Worship from Warwick, the group that are listening to him is very small as there is very little clapping. He reads an open letter from the Governing Body to thank all those that took part in the work. Part of that letter reads “How we love our new residences” They are confident that they will now be able to work even harder. The letter goes on to say that they don’t deserve such a wonderful place to live and work but they see it as an expression of God’s undeserved kindness. I think he must have forgotten all those homeless people and even how the apostles lived and traveled in the first Century.

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141st Gilead Gradution Talks 1st Part

by Listener in

these grads.

are a special people indeed.

how on earth they put up with all this indoctrination is beyond me, months of intense brainwashing.

Listener

These Grads. are a special people indeed. How on earth they put up with all this indoctrination is beyond me, months of intense brainwashing. The final talks are simply more about obeying without question, being humble and giving all that a person has and doing it from their heart. They talk about invisible clouds, testing God, abundant blessings and the possible future ability of the Governing Body being able to read minds.

Here's a little summary on the 1st video released.

Morris says that this Gilead group was held during some historic changes. Some have already moved to Warwick and will continue to move for months. Morris says that he has been telling people for some months that years back (yes he really said that) they made statements that put moving as being right up there with the stress level of a loved one who has died.

I can’t even begin to think of what was so stressful for them, particularly Morris and if he is to worry about anything he should worry that his spouts so much nonsense in his speeches and asking himself when he can demonstrate his modesty and step down to make way for better qualified persons as per a recent talk.

He says they could have cancelled the Gillead School during this period and it would have been reasonable for them to do so. He then attempts to explain why they didn’t He says that it just goes to show that “ Jehovah is in control of this organization, period, he’s governing it and he loves you, and this is addressed, these comments primarily to you and he wants you educated and that’s just his warm embrace for you, that you’re invited and you did enjoy it”

He later says that we can’t know Jehovahs mind until he reveals it, none of us can. He goes on to say “That’s why you hear Brothers and Sisters sincerely speculating...and go hmm hmm ‘okay, somebody thinks they know Jehovahs mind (rolls eyes) ah, beyond what he gave us here (points to Bible) Okay but we don’t follow creatures, we follow Jehovah God because he’s our grand instructor and you’re a lot closer to him, assuring yourself of being taught by him when you get into your assignment as well as on to eternity.” This only shows that he is well past his retirement age but if one can get to the bottom of what he is really saying then he is basically admitting that JWs are following men because the GB speculates all the time.

The next Brother talks about how the Israelites moved at the ‘order of Jehovah’, using a cloud to signal when they were required to move or stay. Jehovah was therefore in total control. They also moved promptly. This camp held 3 million people. They didn’t know where they were moving to. He then states “Now you folks are examples of those that see the cloud. You know that Jehovah, not the imperfect men that he is using is in total control and we humans find it generally difficult for change...we’ve had to be humble, flexible and obedient, we must maintain spiritual vision, we must see the cloud....All of us today need to see the cloud as we move closer to the GT . The time is now when we have to obey not ask, why did they make that decision. As one travelling overseer said ‘dont put a question mark where Jehovah puts a period’...Don’t see the men that Jehovah is using, see the cloud and may all of us do the same.”

This talk was clearly all about obeying without question and seeing it all as God’s direction without any physical proof even though the Israelites were directed with a visual aid (a cloud).

Brother Herd was up next and cracked a joke in his introduction calling Morris imperfect. (Not to worry, Morris gets him back later). He tells us that he uses Old Spice Cologne. He makes a few interesting comments, after making a point he asks the audience what they think and then says ‘think what you want, there is no way for us to know, not now, maybe later’. Think eerie music and you should have seen the look he gave the audience, it was scary stuff and it's not even Halloween yet.

He later makes this comment “All of the Brothers pray to that degree before they step out on the stage before an audience, of your caliber especially, we want to make sure what is said will be good for you’ So much for no class distinction amongst JWs.

At the end of his talk he says ‘they gave me 9 mins, I used 8.42’

Morris then returns and says “I just had to delete about four things I was considering saying but (bursts out laughing) Anyway, the translators will have fun with the Old Spice, it brought back memories for me too (bursts out laughing again). I used to love Old Spice by the way, used it a long time and then (laughs again). It sounds like this guy has no idea that it is still available.

The next talk is about ego being your worst enemy. They cant have those Gilead Grads thinking any better of themselves

The final talk is about testing Jehovah out and being tested given by Malefant. The contradiction here was obvious. He tells us that Jesus said that we must not put God to the test when Satan tried to tempt him, but guess what, they’ve come up with a scripture to say it’s okay to put him to the test. It’s okay if we are doing it for the right reason. One of those reasons includes a situation where we contribute as much of our money as we can to the organization. He uses Malachi 3:10 to support the idea of being able to test God however that scripture was a specific invitation from God to test him. The scripture was also in regards to tithing and he goes on further to discuss this arrangement.

Malefant explains that tithing was, after all, just an expression of their heart condition and their appreciation, in not being tight fisted or greedy. Obedience would result in blessings. He further explains that even though tithing isn’t applicable to Christians there is a principle involved that does apply and that putting God to the test will result in blessings. He quotes from a WTBTS publication to support this idea, which appears to be a common practice these days when there is not enough in the Bible to support their claims.

This is the quote from the Jehovah’s day book “you can humbly test him in a proper sense. How? He promised a blessing. When you obey him, you make a test of God, as if asking ‘Will he bless me?’ In response, he puts himself under obligation to do so, keeping his promise. Thus, God’s allowing you to ‘test him out’ underscores your conviction that he will bless you abundantly”

Malefant then tells the Grads. that they have been blessed abundantly. Materially they have what they need and spiritually, a super abundance of blessings.

He then states “When we make our dedication to Jehovah...Consider this comment from the Watchtower ‘Everything we have belongs to Jehovah” This includes all that you are and all that you have. He then talks about having a symbolic tithe, coming from our heart. We are depriving ourselves of his blessings if we don’t give our best.

Bottom line is that giving all that you can will see an abundant of blessing result and by putting your trust in God will ensure that you won't lose out.

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7 Things Most JW's Dont Know They're Supposed To Believe

by pale.emperor in

i decided to spend my sunday morning creating a youtube video highlighting 7 things most jw's dont know they're supposed to believe.

most of these i learned only after my exit of the cult.

here's hoping a few jw's will stumble upon it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44oc0p4ny&feature=youtu.be.

Listener

Scully, the flock book is available publicly thanks to the Australian Royal Commission into Child Abuse. It can be accessed from that website.

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Hello from Still Totally ADD

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

just wanted everyone who knows me to know i am alive and well.

we just sold our house in pa and are about to buy a house on one acre just outside jamestown ny.

our health has been good and we both have good part time jobs.

Listener

Great to hear from you Totally Add and glad things are going well for you both.

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7 Things Most JW's Dont Know They're Supposed To Believe

by pale.emperor in

i decided to spend my sunday morning creating a youtube video highlighting 7 things most jw's dont know they're supposed to believe.

most of these i learned only after my exit of the cult.

here's hoping a few jw's will stumble upon it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44oc0p4ny&feature=youtu.be.

Listener

Great job Pale.emporer.

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Hilarious Radio Standup By An Ex-Witness

by pale.emperor in

guys, you gotta check this out.

she explains the whole religion in a very funny way.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3#play.

Listener

Thanks for sharing, you're right, it is hilarious but with a couple of moments there that are very moving.

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Introduction

by robrog8999 in

jw
friends

hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

the name is robert.

Listener

Also Robo, the Bible tells us that Jesus was the creator of all things

Colossians 1:16

John 1:3

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Introduction

by robrog8999 in

jw
friends

hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

the name is robert.

Listener

I'm along the lines with what Never a JW is saying (and I get why they are saying it ;) but the religion is so bad with their spiritual teachings and how they operate that I just can't bring myself to encourage you to do this.

As far as the Trinity goes, I wonder what you learnt and why you are completely against it. Even within the Trinity teachings there are different understandings. I gather you refer to the teaching as recognized by the JW religion which is far from the beliefs in practice that are taught by some religions.

For many, the Trinity does not mean that Jesus is God or that Jesus is even equal to God. I personally don't believe that and think it is very dishonest of the JW organization to spread the idea that this is what all believers of the Trinity think.

Why are you so against the idea? The word means a Tri Unity and this is certainly how they work together. We have God, his son Jesus and the Holy Spirit all working in unity together, all three together. God and Jesus work together as one. Both God and Jesus work by using the Holy Spirit, if that was not so then what spirit does Jesus use?

To condemn all believers of the Trinity as being false and an identifier of wrong beliefs is an injustice to other Christians.

What makes you think that there must be one true religion today and more specifically why would the Mormons or JWs be that true religion when they only came into existence in the last few centuries? Surely you could rule them out simply on that basis. They have not existed since the first century. Jesus gave the promise that he would always be with us.

Jesus told us through the parable of the Wheat and the Weeds that Christians would be scattered amongst the whole field/nations and I am surprised that you haven't seen this for yourself when you have talked to so many about their beliefs, there are many sincere people in the World who seek to follow Christ.

Jesus told us that where you find two or more gathered together in his name, there he is also.

Once baptized as a JW you will be required to believe and advocate their particular teachings confined to their religion only. Failing to do so will find you rejected from their religion. You will not be allowed to have your own thoughts on Bible teachings which differ from what they are teaching, even when your thoughts are right.

One of their most damning teachings is that of two separate groups, the anointed (little flock) and other sheep. More than 99% of their members are considered to be of the other sheep. These ones are not part of the New Covenant, are not God's children, are not part of the Body of Christ (the real Congregation), do not have the law written in their hearts, are not born again and do not have Jesus as their mediator.

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In Germany, the Watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls

by processor in

according to german april issue of our kingdom ministry, the watchtower logo must be removed from all kingdom halls:.

it sais that the watchtower logo - a stylised watchtower or a watchtower with a bible - is used by the watchtower society.

thus, it should not be used by congregations or private persons, neither on kingdom halls, stationary or anything else.

Listener

BibleExaminer - Will dubs get this letter and give more cash? I don't know. But I think the point is, this Watchtower letter looked pretty official and I know how I'd feel if my stinking' neighbors were reading all the hate pouring out of my religion at them.

I can just imagine the WTBTS getting their lawyers together to sue whoever is behind the letter. The irony is that probably the only basis they could do so would be because these activists are inciting hatred of JWs, yet it would be their own publications that were doing all the hate.

You are correct, though, there would be a number of JWs who would be ashamed to be known as a JW.