Just to add another spanner into their works is the January 2017 broadcast. It's mostly about the bible and advertising their 'Bible Tour' at Warwick in a few months.
The Broadcast goes into detail about how the Bible has been preserved over the centuries and commend those men that died faithful to Jehovah under extreme persecution and their determination to make the Bible available to the masses.
Yet, if we were to go along with their theory, why is it only at the end of the 19th Century that individuals are no longer able to understand the Bible on their own and need an organization to do it for them?
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The Governing Body are doubling down on dogma!
by DATA-DOG inin case you were wondering if the governing body we're going to become kinder and gentler, the answer is a big "no!!!
in the current study edition of the wt magazine, the sheeple are reminded of some very important key points.
1) god has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.. 2) only the gb/faithful slave can dispense spiritual food and only the gb/faithful slave can interpret the bible.. 3) individual dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.. 4) god requires "unity of doctrine.
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The Governing Body are doubling down on dogma!
by DATA-DOG inin case you were wondering if the governing body we're going to become kinder and gentler, the answer is a big "no!!!
in the current study edition of the wt magazine, the sheeple are reminded of some very important key points.
1) god has an organization ( corporation ) that you must respect.. 2) only the gb/faithful slave can dispense spiritual food and only the gb/faithful slave can interpret the bible.. 3) individual dubs absolutely cannot learn "truth" on their own.. 4) god requires "unity of doctrine.
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It's the November 2016 Watchtower. They make this claim on page 9 para 6
Living without the help of God’s organization and his standards would result in unhappiness and misery.
Another very bold claim, stating that in order not to have unhappiness and misery we need the help of JW dot org.
Then there is this statement para 9 page 16Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food
The question for that para is "9. What is the only channel that is being used to help us understand God’s Word? "
YouTuber Michael Felker asks whether it's really true that someone cannot interpret the Bible on their own and which parts can he interpret on his own and which parts can't he because it can't be denied that there are parts of the Bible that can be read and understood by the individual.
Regarding para 10 and the mention of Jehovah's chariot Youtuber Michael then asks how do we know when the org. makes changes that they are moving closer to the truth or further away? The measuring stick is always what is put in place by the GB. So if the org. goes up or down so does the JW and the individual therefore has no way to go except up or down along with the GB. Which means going closer to the truth or away from the truth. How can they say that Jehovah is behind that development? The problem is that they are blaming Jehovah for the decisions of the leaders.
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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK
by steve2 inhere we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.
jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.
in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.
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For what it's worth, these are some figures that were reported on JWTalk. The person reporting them is a 'gold' member and said that the figures came from the Bethel in Germany.
Branches of Jehovah’s Witnesses: 89Total Congregations: 119.485Number of Lands Reporting: 240Publishers: 8.340.847Worldwide Memorial Attendance: 20.085.142Memorial Partakers Worldwide: 18.013Total Number Baptized: 264.535Pioneer Publishers: 1.128.697Home Bible Studies: 10.115.264 -
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1 bilion property revenue since august 2016 and still they have not enough
by Gorbatchov inread in the new york business review that jw.org made 1 bilion property revenue since august 2016.. unbelievable, isn't it?
they are one of the richest religion organizations in cash flow, for sure.. the co asked us this morning to "overthink wat we can share, to support the work and make jehovah happy".. g..
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It sure makes them look greedy by continually asking for more money.
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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK
by steve2 inhere we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.
jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.
in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.
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WT - The most recent published report is for the year 1995, and it shows 28 more partakers than in the preceding year though the ratio of partakers to those attending did actually drop.
Thanks for those figures Darksplver, even that line of thinking is not working out for them.
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Kingdom Hall Renovation Question: Who Pays?
by breakfast of champions inso last night it was announced at the local hall that the ldc had decided against building a new hall, and that the existing hall would be "renovated.
the prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now.
in fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the rbc for a new hall.
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Going by that chart, maintenance and repair works are the responsibility of the congregation and IF renovations are approved the org. has developed a clever system. They say they will pay but the congregation must set up a contribution box. Therefore many will consider the onus is on them to finance the project (effectively paying twice).
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2016-12-29 BOE Re: Donations in Support of Kingdom Interests Worldwide
by wifibandit indecember 29, 2016 to all congregations re: donations in support of kingdom interests worldwide.
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Is it too much effort to write ' Dear Brothers and Sisters' rather than just 'Dear Brothers'?
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RC 2017
by wifibandit indue to last years success, i will post everything related to the 2017 regional convention in this thread.. to start us off.... thanks to exjw reddit user ich3b we have advance notice of the theme (this is not a joke!).
the theme for the 2017 regional convention is: "don’t give up!” .
as always, if you have access to confidential materials you would like to leak but need to protect your identity, pm me or email me: wifibandit1 (at) gmail.
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I remember the song "Don't give up" first sung by Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel in 1986. It's beautiful, haunting and very sad.
Wiki states that it is inspired by depression era photographs showing poverty stricken Americans in dust bowl conditions and the difficult economic times in Britain under Margaret Thatcher. It states 'The verses, sung by Gabriel, describe the man's feelings of isolation and despair; the choruses, sung by Bush, offer words of hope and encouragement.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc
Here's a second version with better visuals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLiie7VKCuo
If it doesn't bring a tear to your eye, I don't know what would.
The Convention theme should really be
Don't give up - on the Organization
In the context of the above song it would suggest that the Organization has caused sorrow on it's followers, such as bad economic conditions causes a great deal of stress and hardship.
The last couple of years have proved to be a really tough for the Organization. Not only with cutbacks left right and centre but also it's public exposure on it's handling of child abuse. It demonstrates how the Organization has been the root cause for hardship on many.
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1975 statements
by A Believer infrom jw org.
“six thousand years of human existence”.
in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.
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Why did HQ send at Bethel Elders including Fred Franz in 1975 to Australia to reassure JWs that Armageddon wasn't coming that year and not to discuss the saga amongst themselves?
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1975 statements
by A Believer infrom jw org.
“six thousand years of human existence”.
in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.
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A Believer, you link to a website that claims Ray Franz was behind the 1975 saga.