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  Watchtower Publications To Give Away

  by bigmouth in

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  2. bible

  it's now time to clear out my old literature lest it fall into the right hands.. there is a fairly large range of books, volumes, pamphlets and various keepsakes.

  some are unusual, say, part issues of the aid book and a live forever book that has had paragraphs altered in subsequent copies.

  i am in hoppers crossing, melbourne.

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  Great big mouth, otherwise I know someone nearby who might want them.
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  How to reply when someone asks about your spiritual health

  by RodrigoGuerreiro in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  first of all, sorry if i cannot correctly express the original expression used in my native language to ask for the "spiritual condition".. a few years ago some member of the family asks my wife directly how is her "spiritual health" (for me it's one of the many strange vocabulary used by jw like "the slave says...").

  she was catched by surprise with the direct question and says that everything is ok... and luckily someone call them for lunch.. my question is: do you have any good answers for that question?

  you can be ironic/use some humor because the question is a little bit anecdotical .

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  "I just just went for my annual check up last week, I expect to get the results on Tuesday."
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  Marking Talks are back!?!?! - New Name!

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i was younger i used to hear about "marking talks" given in the past.

  i believe they stopped in the 80's or 90's.

  basically, if someone wasn't baptized or doing something unrepentant, they would get a "marking talk" and be treated the same as a df person.

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  If it's now changed to a 'warning talk' I wonder if they are planning on introducing more rules for when a JW doesn't head the 'warning'. Maybe this will be an extension on 'brazen behavior'.
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  Injustice In India Over National Anthem

  by Iown Mylife in

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  2. current

  jehovah’s witnesses will seek to overturn the apex court’s order .

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  They view a national anthem in the following way
  
  

  A national anthem is, in effect, a hymn or a prayer in behalf of a nation

  W 2002 9/15 explains some of their reasoning (rather than leaving it to an individual's conscience -

  When national anthems are played, usually all a person has to do to show that he shares the sentiments of the song is to stand up. In such cases, Christians remain seated. If they are already standing when the national anthem is played, however, there is no need for them to take the special action of sitting down. It is not as though they had specifically chosen to stand for the anthem. On the other hand, if a group are expected to stand and sing, then merely standing up out of respect but not singing would not constitute sharing in the sentiments of the song.

  
  They are right in saying that a person who stands up when their national anthem is being played is showing that he shares the sentiments of the song but they are not right in claiming that all who do so would be demonstrating these sentiments. Obviously new immigrants or those not even speaking the language could not do so. Then there are those who simply don't support it but do so rather than causing conflict or disrespect. Then there are those who do so simply to comply with the laws requiring them to stand and for no other reason.
  
  The law does not state that by standing during the playing of the national anthem constitutes their support for the song, therefore the org. is wrong in claiming that, in effect, it does.
  
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  Injustice In India Over National Anthem

  by Iown Mylife in

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  2. current

  jehovah’s witnesses will seek to overturn the apex court’s order .

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  From the linked article -

  The latest move by the Jehovah’s Witnesses will seek to overturn the apex court’s order on November 30, 2016, that all cinema halls in India would play the national anthem before the feature film starts.

  
  The simple solution, rather than expensive court battles would be for JWs refraining from putting themselves in a compromising situation in the first place - don't go to the cinemas.
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  Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

  her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

  i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

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  Surely it's not her job to tell you what is normal and what is not but to help you in working through what you personally find hard to deal with.
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

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  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  A Believer - The elders know much more than I, or anybody else in this thread about the Bible. Really if their are lurkers they should talk to one in a local congregation if they need more answers on matters.
  

  
  If I'm going to believe what you say then there's a bit of a dilemma.
  
  In the OP you state
  
  

  How saddening it is to see the wolfs in sheep clothing on this website that for some reason still go to the Kingdom Hall. Well atleast it was sad.

  
  I've got no way of knowing that the Elder at my local KH is not a 'wolf in sheeps clothing'. Anyway, that's not my problem, it's yours.
  
  
  
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  Curious, was there a recent article about the flu vacciene

  by nonjwspouse in

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  2. bible

  probably and awake but maybe a wt.

  has anyone read something negative about the flu vaccine in a jw publication recently?

  my jw mil is all the sudden against them because she read and "article," but then fails to give a source when i asked her.

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  There's this April 2011 Awake that encourages it

  Avoid infectious disease. Avoid close physical contact or the sharing of eating utensils with any who have a cold or the flu. Their saliva and nasal secretions can pass the illness on to you. Such blood-borne diseases as hepatitis B and C and HIV/AIDS are transmitted primarily through sexual contact, intravenous drug use, and transfusion. Vaccination can help to prevent some infections, but a wise person must still take necessary precautions when with someone who has an infectious disease. Avoid insect bites. Do not sit or
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  ByIn the case of any discussion with a child abuse victim, an elder will not be alone with the child but will involve another elder and the child’s parent(s), not including a parent who is the alleged abuser. If the child expresses to the elders discomfort in discussing the matter in the presence of a parent, and the parent agrees, then the child may be gently told that he or she may choose an adult companion other than a parent, with whom he or she feels comfortable speaking about the matter, to be present during the discussion.

  
  

  The victim is given no choice here, they are required to discuss all the worried details with the elders, not just one but two and more likely, three.

  They also state this earlier in the policy

  We believe that parents have the primary responsibility for the protection, safety, and instruction of their children. We do not separate children from their parents for the purpose of instruction.ii (Ephesians 6:4)

  
  

  But when it comes to dragging out all the sordid details the child can be separated from their parents.

  
  

  What happens if the child expresses discomfort or reluctance in speaking to the Elders and I imagine the majority of abused children would. Not one word is mentioned about this but rather the opposite, it is a given expectation. It is wrong and a form of abuse. It is sickening that a child is required to discuss sexually explicit details with inexperienced male Elders.
  
  
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  December 31, 2016 BOE Re: 2017 Annual Meeting and Warwick/Wallkill Dedication Program

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  december 31, 2016 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: 2017 annual meeting and warwick/wallkill dedication program.

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  Is this really the good news that Jesus wanted preached throughout the earth and with Armageddon so near?