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  How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

  by waton in

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  `~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

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  They want the r&f to believe that all of this second group are 'well advanced in years' and point to the current GB as an example.
  
  The whole concept is crazy. I think it was Splane that effectively said to find your own scriptures to support their idea and used one that he thought was appropriate.
  
  Your point is taken. They are having a hard time trying to hype up the urgency with this teaching. That's why they keep explaining it and at the same time, push this idea that the end is so close.
  
  There is a poster on Reddit that claims he had heard from 'those in the know' that they are planning on changing the message to one of judgement at this years Annual Meeting and that they are redoing some articles in the January, 2018 Watchtower.
  
  
  
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  How old would Br. Franz be today if he overlapped himself?

  by waton in

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  `~39, and ~ 59+ years more to go .

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  Mark Sanderson GB, currently 52. If he lives as long as F Franz did then that is another 46 years to go - 2063.
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  Theocratic warfare. Great video

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  we all recall the appalling example of vin toole during the australian royal commission when he was questioned about"theocratic warefare".

  here is a great video that shows how the society has used, and in turn tried to lie about "theocratic warfare".

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cixj9b6sd34.

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  Vincent Toole wasn't at the second case hearing before the Australian Royal Commission. It's no wonder when he failed as the legal lawyer for the Branch to advice when it was appropriate to report accusations and he lied in the first hearing.
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  Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body - Mike Felker

  by ToesUp in

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  i found this video very well done.. mike felker is the chapter director of ratio christi at georgia state university.

  check out this video on youtube:.

  https://youtu.be/grs8m6tdq9g.

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  I've posted his video's before Toes Up and enjoy his presentations. He was never a JW but studied with them for a short period to get an understanding of their teachings and he does a very good job of refuting them.
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  UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.

  by snugglebunny in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.

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  The Commission is still investigating the British Branch and are still requesting for victims to report to them. This is their contact details and request, the link is in the OP

  The Commissionencourages people who have been affected by safeguarding in congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses in England and Wales to make contact with the investigations team at [email protected].

  Interestingly, the safeguarding policy does not cover just child sexual abuse but it includes any harm. This is an excerpt from the legal requirements

  2. Safeguarding
  Safeguarding is a term which is broader than ‘child protection’ and relates to the action taken to promote the welfare of children and protect them from harm. Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility. Safeguarding is defined in Working together to safeguard children 2013 as:

  • protecting children from maltreatment

  • preventing impairment of children’s health and development

  • ensuring that children grow up in circumstances consistent with the provision of safe and effective care and

  • taking action to enable all children to have the best outcomes

  Trustees of charities which work with vulnerable groups, including children, must always act in their best interests and ensure they take all reasonable steps to prevent harm to them. Having safeguards in place within an organisation not only protects and promotes the welfare of children but also it enhances the confidence of trustees, staff, volunteers, parents/carers and the general public.

  I wonder if the Commission is aware of the shunning policies that children (defined as children under 18) may be subjected to and whether victims have reported to the Commission or whether we need to promote this?

  
  
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  UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.

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  The Fall Guy linked to the complete report of the Commission's findings in regards to the Manchester Congregation. Here's the link again.

  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/manchester-new-moston-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses-inquiry-report/manchester-new-moston-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses

  This is the conclusion from that report

  Conclusions
  The Commission has concluded that the charity’s trustees did not deal adequately with allegations of child sexual abuse in 2012 and 2013 against one of the trustees. This is because they did not:

  1. Identify one allegation as potential child sexual abuse, believing it to be merely ‘a matter between 2 teenagers’.

  1. Properly take account of an earlier allegation of child sexual abuse when considering new allegations made in 2012.

  1. Fully enforce the restrictions the trustees decided to place on Mr Rose’s activities in February and July 2012.

  1. Consider and deal with potential conflicts of loyalty within the trustee body.

  1. Keep an adequate written record of the decision making process used to manage the potential risks posed by Mr Rose to the beneficiaries of the charity.

  The Commission has also concluded that the charity’s trustees did not deal adequately with a misconduct appeal hearing against Mr Rose in 2014 following his release from prison. This is because victims were effectively required to attend the misconduct appeal hearing and repeat their allegations in the presence of the abuser, and the abuser was permitted to question the alleged victims. Although the trustees did not themselves conduct the hearing, they remain responsible for ensuring that the charity’s procedures do not expose its beneficiaries or others to significant risks of harm, and they failed to do this.
  It is the inquiry’s view that the charity’s trustees did not cooperate openly and transparently with the Commission. In particular, they did not provide accurate and complete answers to the Commission regarding the earlier allegation of child sexual abuse and the conduct of the misconduct hearing against the former trustee. The inquiry was concerned that the charity trustees did not report a serious incident to the Commission.
  The above matters constitute misconduct or mismanagement in the administration of the charity.
  The charity has a written policy on child safeguarding. It also has internal procedures for the handling of misconduct allegations within its congregation, which are used to deal with allegations of child sexual abuse.
  The Commission welcomes the changes implemented to the procedures since the launch of the inquiry for the handling of misconduct allegations and to the child safeguarding policy applicable to the charity. These revisions improve the charity’s written policy and procedures for handling child safeguarding allegations, including by making clear that victims of child sexual abuse are not required to make their allegations in the presence of the alleged abuser, and providing for protective restrictions to be put in place in all cases where an individual is found to have engaged in child sexual abuse by the criminal courts.
  The policy and procedures are common to all Jehovah’s Witness congregations in England and Wales and are being examined further as part of the Commission’s ongoing inquiry into WTBTSB. The Commission is also examining as part of the ongoing WTBTSB inquiry the practical measures which will be taken to minimise the risk of the issues identified by this inquiry from recurring in other congregations. Issues of particular relevance to this inquiry that will be examined further in the WTBTSB inquiry include:

  • the application of the ‘two-witness rule’

  • how and to what extent in practice victims will be involved in future Judicial Committees and related procedures the practice of requiring victims to confront their abuser during the judicial committee procedure

  • record keeping and disclosure of information to public bodies and individual

  The Commission has accused the Elders of that Congregation of misconduct or mismanagement. Reading the report discloses a number of injustices carried out by these Elders in the carrying out of the very duties they have been appointed to do by the organisation. Their incompetence means they are far from being 'beyond reproach' and under the organisations own requirements, do not qualify to maintain their positions.

  The organisation may say that they are just imperfect men but to actively try and prevent the Commission from holding the investigations in the first place is wicked.

  They may not pay any taxes but because of that they have set themselves up as a charity and are subject to the laws under which the Commission subjects them to. How they must hate it when they now realise how far that Commission is willing to investigate and expose them.
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  Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by OrphanCrow in

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  http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

  who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

  the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

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  Barbara Anderson posted some interesting information regarding Theodore Jaracz and the USSR
  
  

  In the early 1990s, his sneakiness caused him to almost lose his position. It was after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which was characterized by many of the Soviet Socialist Republics declaring their independence, this taking place from the beginning of 1990 until the end of 1991. After the republics claimed their independence, the GB decided it was an appropriate time to hold a convention in St. Petersburg and dispatched Jaracz to the area to make the arrangements. However, he secretly directed that many conventions be held in countries previously under the control of the Soviet Union. When this came to light after many conventions actually took place unbeknownst to the rest of the GB, to placate a very angry Body, he contritely apologized and promised never to do such a thing again.

  
  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/the-theocratic-life-and-times-of-theodore-jaracz/
  
  Since it was reported that the JWs were given property for a token payment around the years that Jaracz was taking a personal interest in what was going on there and he was secretly planning conventions around this area, I wonder what was really going on.
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  Are Bethelites Buying and Preparing their own Food?

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  samuel herd made the following statement at the 2015 annual meeting regarding the reduction of services at bethel.. we will be reducing personnel at bethel.

  some bethel family members will be invited to serve in the field.

  in addition to their regular work, bethel family members will be caring for many of the services that were previously provided by fellow bethelites.. .

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  Given the difficulty that gated communities have in stopping JWs from preaching within their grounds, I wonder what would happen if preachers wanted to knock on the doors of the Bethelites residents? Maybe the vast apostate army could test it out as part of their campaign.

  Requesting visitors not to take photos of the outside of their residence is not surprising. They have balconies and at some time or another they are likely to be used. They wouldn't want outsiders to be able to identify who lives where. With the quality of cameras these days, it may also be possible to zoom into the units and see what is going on.
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  Wakos of Warwick

  by Chook in

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  this is now the official title bestowed upon the priestly class.

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  W.O.W.
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  Some Good News About Me (Although Anthony Morris Will Be Furious)

  by pale.emperor in

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  just wanted to share with you some good news i'm really excited about.

  i have been accepted for university to study psychology and counseling.

  my goal is to become a counselor and, in time, to specialize on treating those who have left high control relationships/groups like we all did.. it'll take a few years before im qualified but studying in university has been a dream of mine since i was 12, which was systematically dashed to pieces by watchtower.. .

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  Congratulations, such a worthwhile endeavour.