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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  The Fall Guy - if it's in the family home, no shunning takes place.
  
  
  

  
  That's what they say in print but it happens regardless. It's a horrible experience to be shunned in the family home.
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  Current 2018 outlines ca with br says do not communicate with apostates or Df ones

  by poopie in

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  how is that possible if your child is df living at home..

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  Poopie, good question, this is the outline that I think you are referring to, it's in the talk "using social media wisely"
  
  

  Resolve not to view or post comments on blogs or social networks when doing so would involve you in bad associations Reject communication with apostates or disfellowshipped ones (2Jo 9-11)"

  
  As far as bad associations go, it is only a resolution but with apostates or disfellowshipped ones it is a complete rejection. There is no qualification here about family members living at home, even spouses. It is no wonder that many spouses feel they can't even live with their ex JW partner. Of course it is not in writing but when they hear things like this in public talks the seed is planted and the breakdown of the family commences.
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  Last nights CLAM meeting

  by dbq407 in

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  so hadn't been to a clam meeting in quite a few months, but went last night.

  so we learned that gog of magog is not satan as previously believed.

  they used a few scriptures that made it clear that it couldn't be satan and that it would be a coalition of nations.

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  Their mandate to get rid of the types/antitypes teaching unless clearly indicated in scripture is not being practiced unless it is of benefit to the organization.
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  Relaxed rules toward oral sex?

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  these people won't state anything definitively, but here's an excerpt from the study article entitled "making christian marriage a success", in the august, 2016 watchtower.

  it does make me wonder.. although the bible does not provide specific rules about the kinds and limits of love play that might be associated with natural, sexual intimacy, it mentions displays of affection.

  (song of solomon 1:2; 2:6) christian marriage partners should treat each other with tenderness.

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  Aren't those versus quoted relating to a period of courtship, not marriage?
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  YouTube video that you may find of interest.

  by longgone in

  1. watchtower
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  i came across a youtube video published on august 11th of this year called "watchtower threw out 130 years of bad "spiritual food" with one talk" by leonard east.

  (sorry, i still haven't learned how to put up a link.).

  as i read the introduction from the publisher, i remembered that very talk and how i felt when i heard it.

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  That was the type/antitype change introduced at the Annual meeting in 2014. That's nearly three years ago now and they still have not presented a list of which types/antitypes were not biblical.
  
  If you've heard the talks before, skip to the final part of the video (about 12.18) where Leonard East makes some good observations.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8arxQYjS3A
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  Over 300 DFed apparently went to a northern U.K R.C!

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  that's what i've been told by a family member (elder) who went to one of the regional conventions in the north of the u.k lately, who told me the 300 or more disfellowshipped who returned to jehovah by attending show that the end is so close, just like the final talk says..

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  It's not even possible for them to know how many disfellowshipped persons attended any particular Convention unless they had a big D written on their forehead when the count was being taken.
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  Today's Text - How To Be A Judgemental A**hole!

  by Divergent in

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  saturday, august 19. make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others.—phil.

  1:10.. how can we train our conscience?

  key ways are by regularly and prayerfully studying the bible, meditating on what we read, and then putting into practice what we have learned.

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  Good pick-up Divergent and they are only talking about personal matters, anything else and it's fine to be completely judgemental. In that case, there's nothing wrong with pressuring him to change his decision.

  What is surprising is that it only mentions studying the Bible and meditating on what we learn. No mention of Bible aids, like the ever so important Watchtower. Although real Christians know that you can only study the Bible with Watchtower's aids.

  Pity that they forget to mention that as Christians are in the New Covenant they are given the gift of having the law written in their hearts but since it only applies to less than .1% of JWs (the anointed), I guess it's not important enough to mention.
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  Humourous reasons to go back

  by usualusername1 in

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  in my stand up comedy routine tonight i want to list humourous reasons why i shd go back to jws.. how about nobody throws parties like jws.. how about jws being at the cutting edge of fashion.. how about it being easier for men to get a date.. any ideas?.

  paul.

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  So that there's one less door the Dubs will knock on on a Saturday morning.
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  This might be my last post

  by Akid48 in

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  2. experiences

  so my aunt hates pcs but works in a office job and uses a pc to do work she has worked there for 23 years she taking me and my brothers laptops etc and she said i have to earn it doing jw things studying listening at meetings etc.. so if it is the last time i post hear i thank you all for you have told me i wish the all of you the best life you can have.i will try to post hear this will start when im in school..

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  Hi Akid48, I don't know where you live but often public libraries may give you free access to Computers and the internet for a limited time.
  
  Diogenesister is right in saying that getting baptized would be a big mistake.
  
  All the best.
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  Current JW Go Fund Me requests

  by Listener in

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  this topic was discussed a few years ago and i thought i would have a look to see what is going on with go fund me's by jws.

  i am astounded that there are a great deal more jws requesting money than there were a few years ago and even by pioneers.i've only looked in detail at a few jw go fund me requests but came across this one that i am stunned about on a number of levels.. my little maryhello friends.

  meet my wonderful girlfriend mary, a 23 year old "need greater pioneer"serving in the english field in san marcos nicaragua.

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  Zeb, when you go to the Go Fund Me website key in the word Jehovah into their search site.
  https://au.gofundme.com/?pc=thrive_google_search_branded_general_au_213890215810__kwd-29280271693__43913767572_732245674_gofundme_e_c_g__9070532___1t1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIl9zy_urf1QIVngcqCh3yag2MEAAYASAAEgIQi_D_BwE
  
  or I think this link will work with "Jehovah" already entered into the search facility
  
  https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=category&term=jehovah
  
  Not all of the Campaigners are JWs but you can get a fair idea by looking at them.
  
  I tried to do some activism yesterday but gave up because of a number of reasons, the main one is because it's too depressing and I find it difficult to be impartial and not sympathetic enough.
  
  There's one guy who's even asking for money so he can go to Africa as a need greater for 30 days.
  
  https://www.gofundme.com/serving-jehovah-god
  
  There's others on there that are going through great difficulties because of their blood policy, it's heartbreaking. Not only that, they are so poor they have to resort to begging for money just for medical treatment. It brings home the fact that they can't get the help from the Watchtower or that there is no system to request help from their own congregations.
  
  Then there was this story about a disabled JW. She included her sorrowful history in order to pull the heartstrings of potential contributors but again, where is the help from her Bro's and Sisters?
  
  

  58 y/o Jehovah Witness Woman In Need of Dental Implants
  Hello and thank you for reading my plea. I’m a 58 y/o woman from New Jersey and of Italian and Czech decent. Ate age 8 I had a stroke. Since then I have been paralyzed on my right side. As a young woman I thought no man would have me so I married a man that started hitting me soon after our wedding.
  I was told by my doctor that I couldn’t have babies but soon after the wedding I got pregnant with a daughter and within the next 12 years, two boys. I worked at jobs but my handicap has always held me back.
  I have always brushed my teeth but being poor divorced mother of three, I have never really had money for dentists. Now I am in a relationship with a good solid man but he doesn’t have money for my implants and I only have 6 teeth left and a bridge that hurts my mouth.
  I know there are babies that need heart transplants here on Go Fund Me but I also need help with getting my mouth set right so I can eat and continue telling people about Jehovah’s word. Thank you for anything you can give.

  Another Campaigner couple talk about their situation when they had to hire a car to attend the regional convention because they only rode motor cycles because they were cheaper. Here is part of their story
  
  ... To avoid crashing into the back he tried to swerve left around him. At that exact moment, another dump truck was coming the opposite direction and hit us dead on. The truck that hit us kept going and we were both in the middle of the street. I stood up to see Terahl screaming in pain. The tibia bone in his left leg had completely popped out his body (open fracture). Many people stopped as we were screaming for someone to call a paramedic. He was conscious the entire time but lost a lot of blood. .... Our close friends, the elders and HLC were quick to arrive (Isaiah 41:13). They did not take Terahl to surgery until 4:00pm and he was released to ICU around 9:30pm. It was diagnosed that he broke his tibia, femur and ligaments in his left leg. Plus severe tarmac burns and cuts on his left arm. That first night in the hospital he was in excruciating pain. Due to his very low hemoglobin level (blood count) they gave him practically no pain medication. I had to beg them for a sleeping pill just to give him some temporary relief. The next day, we contacted the HLC and our insurance about transferring to a more reputable hospital that had experience with bloodless medicine. We were recommended to transfer to HOMS in Santiago, about 2 hours from our house. The ambulance ride was difficult for Terahl since he still had no anesthetic and the bones in his leg are still broken. We arrived at HOMS and were quickly greeted once again by HLC brothers and the Ortho Surgeon.
  The result: Terahl has an infection due to the bone being exposed from the body. However, infection specialist is treating it. Terahl will also need reconstructive surgery on his leg. Ortho Surgeon is confident and says even with infection, he can fix it. However, he needs Terahl's hemoglobin to be at least 10.0. Last we checked it was still at 6.0. So we are working on building his red blood cells.
  No doubt, this is the most difficult trial we have faced. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) However, Jehovah has helped us every step of the way. We thought for sure we were going to die. The brothers have been by around the clock. The doctors are willing to work with us. And everyday we are receiving non stop messages and calls of loving support. We are eternally grateful.
  'How can I help?' is a question that has been asked a lot. Unfortunately, I myself am still unsure as to what we 'need'. As of right now, we have no estimate of surgery expenses so everything is up in the air. However, one thing I do know is there are little expenses that keep popping up (i.e.: cell phone data, soaps, wash clothes, food, etc.) So if in fact you are able to donate, that is what the funds will be used for until I get a more concrete answer about surgery expense and recovery time/missing employment.
  Friends and family, I cannot thank you enough. It is clear to me more than ever how much Jehovah loves us. Please keep us in your prayers. In the words of Terahl, 'I'm not going to give up. Even if I have to crawl into the new world!' ❤️