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Consolidation of Bethel Big-Wigs Now?

by The Fall Guy in

a reliable source has informed me that a bethel contact has informed them that paul gillies - a london branch committee heavyweight - is moving to warwick to join the legal department there.

anyone else aware of this?.

during the recent court case in russia, he posed for a photograph with the gb member and the rest of the wt a-team..

Listener

From 12 years ago IT Support on this forum wrote -

Paul Gilles went into London Bethel from high school. He was overseer of the Public Affairs department until the GB consigned it to the dust, although he still seems to be the Society's official spokesman in Britain. He is widely tipped as the next branch-committee-member-in-waiting. His wife Judith is Australian and used to pioneer is Papua New Guinea.
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This link from 6 years ago provides more info
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/218141/rise-rise-paul-gillies

It is interesting that the OP JWB suggested he might be moved to HQ, possibly as a GB member if he felt he might be anointed at a future time. According to the info he would be 63 years old now.

Even if he was given a position as a GB helper, it sounds more like a demotion from his current position. Maybe they can come up with a new title, no doubt the GB members have plenty of time on their hands these days to come up with one.

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O no!!! The HQ song

by Gorbatchov in

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never througt there would be a jw.org hq song.. they have become mad.. https://tv.jw.org/#nl/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-osg_40_video.

g..

During their annual meeting they claimed that their HQ building would survive Armageddon. It shouldn't be any surprise considering their claim that some of the heavenly Kings had a hand in its building. They don't say whether it included King Rutherford or King Franz.

A poster called De bunker on Reddit posted this

w88 4/1 p. 16 par. 5 Christendom Exposed as the Promoter of False Worship

"They love to exalt their cathedrals, basilicas, temples, and churches, boasting about their antiquity and their architecture, as if these gave them some special standing with God. They even say that their religious edifices were built 'to the glory of God.' "

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COLD today

by wasone in

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it's a cold 13 degrees fahrenheit in tennessee this morning where i live.

glad i'm retired and don't have to work outside today.

what about where you live.

Listener

We've had a mild summer so far in Western Australia, it's currently 83F. It usually gets hotter from here on, for a few months. We get very little rain in the summertime.

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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media

by Listener in

the following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.

just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.

we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.

Listener

https://www.facebook.com/AnthonymorrisIII/

I doubt it's been set up by AMIII but the comments are pretty tame. Back in the days of Russell and Rutherford, they would have fought for the reputation of their name and identity.

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Singing todays WT

by road to nowhere in

the jist was that we all should sing.

then the first 6 or 8 paragraphs describe how early bible accounts have trained and set aside musicians to do the singing while everyone else listened.. the songs they have put out have no soul, rhythm, or soothing melodies as a whole.

the old hymns are some real music, even if you don't agree with the "teachings".. there is no admission of poetry using archaic language at times for affect or to add to the rhyme, they have to have everything agree with the grey bible.. anyone speak foreign languages?

Listener

They're real concern should be that they are addressing/singing to Jehovah directly without going through Jesus.

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Child abuse

by Jrjw in

i was talking to a jdub yesterday about child abuse in the organisation and this was his response:.

"it has been known for kids to make stuff up.

we have to trust the society on these things, also the legal process is there.

Listener

Jrjw - He's deluded or he just doesn't do research

It's possible that he is an abuser himself. An abuser will say that the child is making it up.

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Important spiritual food

by moreconfusedthanever in

todays watchtower study is all about singing complete with instructions on how to sing.,............

"but we all have the responsibility to sing praises to jehovah.

so hold your songbook up high, lift your head, and sing with enthusiasm!".

Listener

They seem to be suggesting that Jehovah is hard of hearing.

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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media

by Listener in

the following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.

just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.

we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.

Listener

Youtuber King of Faders put up a video about this QFR and pointed out the following

Furthermore, posting our publications on websites that allow comments provides a place for apostates and other critics to sow distrust of Jehovah’s organization

It's not apostate information but the Watchtowers own publications than can sow doubt about the Watchtower organization. It's the secret books like Shepherding the Flock that show such things as a Clergy/Laity distinction, contradicting their own teachings.

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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media

by Listener in

the following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.

just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.

we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.

Listener

The following is a QFR from the April, 2018 Watchtower. Just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how JWs need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations Jesus would start out with encouraging words. We see none of this in the QFR, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.

Why is it not permissible to post publications of Jehovah’s Witnesses on a personal website or on social media?

Because we offer our Bible-based material without charge, some feel that copying and posting it on other websites or on social media is acceptable. However, doing so violates the Terms of Use* for our websites and has caused serious problems. As is clearly stated in those Terms, no one is permitted to “post artwork, electronic publications, trademarks, music, photos, videos, or articles from this website on the Internet (any website, file-sharing site, video-sharing site, or social network).” Why is such a restriction needed?
All the material on our websites is copyrighted. Apostates and other opposers try to use our publications on their websites to lure in Jehovah’s Witnesses and others. Planted in those sites is material designed to sow doubts in readers’ minds. (Ps. 26:4; Prov. 22:5) Others have used material from our publications or our jw.org logo in advertisements, on products offered for sale, and in mobile device apps. By securing copyright and trademark protection, we have a legal basis to prevent such misuse. (Prov. 27:12) But if we knowingly allow people, even our brothers, to post our digital content on other sites or to use the jw.org trademark to sell merchandise, the courts may not support our efforts to deter opposers and commercial enterprises.
Downloading our publications from anywhere but jw.org is potentially dangerous. Jehovah has entrusted the responsibility of providing spiritual food to “the faithful and discreet slave” alone. (Matt. 24:45) That “slave” uses only its official websites to publish spiritual food—www.jw.org, tv.jw.org, and wol.jw.org. And we have only three official apps for mobile devices—JW Language®, JW Library®, and JW Library Sign Language®. We can trust these products to be free of advertisements or contamination by Satan’s world. If the spiritual food passes through other channels, there is no guarantee that it has not been altered or contaminated.—Ps. 18:26; 19:8.

Furthermore, posting our publications on websites that allow comments provides a place for apostates and other critics to sow distrust of Jehovah’s organization. Some brothers have been drawn into online debates and thus have brought added reproach on Jehovah’s name. An online forum is not an appropriate setting for “instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed.” (2 Tim. 2:23-25; 1 Tim. 6:3-5) It has also been observed that fraudulent social media accounts and websites have been created in the name of the organization, the Governing Body, and its individual members. However, no member of the Governing Body maintains a personal Web page or a presence on any social media site.

Directing people to jw.org helps to spread the “good news.” (Matt. 24:14) The digital tools we receive for use in our personal ministry are continually being improved. We would like everyone to benefit from them. Therefore, as the Terms of Use indicates, you may e-mail someone an electronic copy of a publication or share a link to material found on jw.org. By directing interested people to our official websites, we are connecting them with the one true source of spiritual food, “the faithful and discreet slave.”

This is from the earlier article which explains how they should be following Jesus example in giving counsel. The above is a direct order to the r & f, I hope they keep up this type of behaviour and it's likely in response to more JWs becoming aware of TTATT. They're absolutely right when they say it's causing serious problems, we are all having a positive affect. Well done.

Building one another up may involve giving counsel, but here again, elders should follow the example given in the Bible about how to give counsel in an encouraging way. An outstanding example in this respect was given by Jesus himself after his death and resurrection. He had some firm counsel to give to certain congregations in Asia Minor, but notice how he went about it. Before giving them counsel, he gave warm commendation to the congregations in Ephesus, Pergamum, and Thyatira. (Rev. 2:1-5, 12, 13, 18, 19)

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Annoying jws

by Jrjw in

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a 'concerned' jw in my congregation rang me earlier and said she's noticed my daughter sits miserable at the meetings and said she's a right miserable girl in general.

i said she's happy and hyper when she's not at the meetings they're just really boring and she doesn't want to be there.

apparently i'm a bad parent coz she feels that way.

Listener

and said she's a right miserable girl In general.

This is very rude and offensive. How would you feel if your daughter heard this? She's a bully and although you know that don't let her think that she has any right to say things like that. Next time it could be in front of your daughter. It would probably do more damage to amend than taking the steps to stop that sort of talk now.

Approach her and tell her you will not allow her to talk about your daughter like that no matter how well meaning she thinks she is being. Don't focus on anything else other than that one comment she made, otherwise she will either twist the meaning of what she said or put the focus back on you and accuse you of being the problem.