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  Rhetorical Question From a Non-JW

  by Brian J in

  1. watchtower
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  so i was asked if "jehovah's witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved.".

  he said "i thought you would say that" and showed me our own website:.

  https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/ .

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  Listener

  Thanks for the link, it is always helpful. They state -

  No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation. The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15) Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation. In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.—John 5:22, 27.
  

  
  No scripture is quoted to support the claim that only those living now who are serving God will gain salvation and since there is none, they are doing the judging for those living now, rather than Jesus.
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  If there ever was another defector from the GB who would apostatise ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  i don’t think any would give up the gravy train but that’s me personally.

  ray franz was part of a larger club..

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  If any of them happened to have those thoughts and were sincere, I think they would be more likely to use their position to make changes. It's possible that some have even tried and were content with what they were personally able to achieve and justifying the rest by leaving it in God's hands.
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  Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.

  then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.

  the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.

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  Listener

  It's not likely that the CO would approve and heads will roll, leaving a sour note to the couples upcoming wedding. It's ridiculous that something so innocent and with the purest of intentions has the potential of being treated like it was some sort of sin or at best, disrespectful.

  There was a little boy happily running through the hall towards the start and you could see him being told off because his composure changed, that was ironic given what was about to take place.

  There's no heart with this organisation. The Halls would make an ideal wedding reception venue for many poor and struggling couples or families.

  Jesus himself help to provide at a wedding feast by turning water into wine.
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  Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.

  then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.

  the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.

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  Listener

  Just when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a Kingdom Hall.
  
  A young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a Watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music. Then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket. The large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.
  
  Cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug. Family and friends then proceed to congratulate the couple as they begin to play some beautiful classical music.
  
  I doubt it's going to stay up for very long on Youtube.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_VCog4-oA
  
  
  
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  Who deserves the title of king of apostasy ?

  by Chook in

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  i think this would be a noble endeavour..

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  Listener

  I second Judge Rutherford and he took a great crowd with him.
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  Regarding this so called judgment message..

  by nowwhat? in

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  will our fearless leaders the gb call a news conference and invite all the major news networks and outlets and put their asses on the line and declare "you are all doomed!

  " or will they have the rank and file do all the dirty work while they sit back in their gated corporate country club?!

  ask any jdub that question!.

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  Jonahstourguide - they could always twist their "join us or die" message as having been a judgement message since 1914 !?.

  
  Now that you mention it. They used to teach that the Great Tribulation began in 1914 and there was just an interruption. So they were teaching that the judgement message was being delivered by them from that time. But now they are saying it will be done in the future since the GT hasn't started yet.
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  Questions to be answered/asked by JW Bible students

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  potential recruits of the cult known as jehovah's witnesses/wtbts will eventually be asked the following two questions as they hand over every aspect and control of their lives to the org;.

  on the basis of the sacrifice of jesus christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to jehovah to do his will?.

  do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah’s witnesses in association with god’s spirit-directed organization?.

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  Listener

  A bit off topic but I never noticed before that the question phrases dedication and baptism as two seperate things.
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  Regarding this so called judgment message..

  by nowwhat? in

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  will our fearless leaders the gb call a news conference and invite all the major news networks and outlets and put their asses on the line and declare "you are all doomed!

  " or will they have the rank and file do all the dirty work while they sit back in their gated corporate country club?!

  ask any jdub that question!.

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  This is what they had to say about it in the July 2015 Watchtower-

  God’s people will boldly declare a strong message of judgment that will affect all people. The message may be that Satan’s wicked world is about to be totally destroyed. The Bible compares this message to hailstones when it says: “Great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great.”​—Revelation 16:21.

  The weight of a talent is approximately 75 pounds and is said to be coming from heaven, not from JWs living on Earth. Also, the scripture makes no mention of a message. Hailstones of that size are going to do a huge amount of damage and deaths.

  I wonder how long they have had this idea of a judgement message?
  
  
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  Solicitors Visit Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in case you're not aware of my last two threads:.

  the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.

  the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.

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  Looks like time well spent.

  The conditions Incognito has suggested are good. Although I don't know much about child custody cases, here in Australia we have a system where problems and issues are sorted out through an intermediary system first, in an attempt to avoid costly court battles.

  If if you are to place conditions on your partner then they will generally not be accepted or seen as reasonable unless you agree to abid by the same restrictions yourself.

  How would your partner feel if you were to take her to non JW religious activities? Often churches provide an after school story and play time once a week. It can be fun for the children but you may be totally against this idea yourself. It is also the wrong thing to do if you just intend to do this as a retaliation.
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  Forum 18: RUSSIA: Justice Ministry seeks complete Jehovah's Witness ban

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  russia: justice ministry seeks complete jehovah's witness ban.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. with no public announcement, russia's justice ministry lodged a suit at the supreme court today (15 march) to declare the jehovah's witness administrative centre "extremist", to liquidate it, and to ban its activity.

  if successful, this would ban all jehovah's witness activity across russia.. russia's justice ministry has submitted a suit to the supreme court to declare the administrative centre of jehovah's witnesses an "extremist" organisation, order it liquidated, and ban its activity.

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  Listener

  Thanks for clarifying the timing of that convention Corney. Still, the point was, it's so cheap and easy to hold a large assembly. It's a lie when the organisation says it needs x amount of Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls and then burdens the flock with the cost and labor.