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  Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

  watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

  note these points in the instructions:.

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  11. A parent or legal guardian might refuse to sign the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data form for a publisher who is a minor. If the minor is an unbaptised publisher, no personal data should be collected for him. Nor should a Congregation’s Publisher Record card be kept for him. The report of field service activity may be collected from the minor as long as his name is not written on the report. The count of the individual and his activity may then be added to the Congregation’s Field Service Report (S-1) that is submitted to the branch office. If the minor is a baptised publisher, two elders should contact the Service Department for direction.

  They can go into detail explaining what to do in regards to an unbaptised minor publisher but it requires two Elders to call the Branch in regards to a baptised minor publisher for further instructions. That's really fishy and would appear to be done so that illegal/sneaky instructions can be conveyed without having to put it in writing. I wonder if this is the same reason they call the Branch in cases of child abuse.
  
  
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  Zeb's Memorial Experience

  by HiddlesWife in

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  2. friends

  i just saw zeb's ("i'm worldly") video entitled: "black mass mayhem" a few minutes ago.

  no doubt this was what he experienced at a memorial he attended last night.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xz1eb63iry .

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  If they just stuck to the Bible instead of treating the memorial as a recruiting opportunity, they are less likely to have this sort of thing happen.

  The Elders are angry that their little show has been interrupted and there's nothing they can do about it until after the fact. It must be embarrassing for them as they generally see themselves with the power in the Halls. Ten men surrounding a person is harassment, fear mongering and intimidation. If the ex JWs crashing is seen as bad then the Elders reactions are worse and it is recorded on video and put into the public arena.
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  July 2018 WT points

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  page 16, par.

  18 carefully follow the latest directions.. do we faithfully follow the latest directions that jehovah has given us?

  if so, we will not rely on always doing things the way we have done them in the past.

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  The claim that new direction comes from Jehovah is incredible, how can these guys sleep at night?
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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  Did you get the chance to read his book before you agreed to write a forward in his book?
  
  I believe he is using you to add more credibility to his book. Without a question that is your choice and your personal judgment call to make.
  
  His book, being titled "How to leave the Jehovah's Witnesses" will, I imagine, include his own experience, possibly including what he did right and what he got wrong.
  
  Why am I concerned? Lloyd uploaded a Youtube video before he attended his final JC and he states
  
  

  "I've already decided that I'm not going to be recording it ... and the reason why I'm not going to be recording it is because I don't want anything to hide... do with that information what you will but don't go out of your way to turn my family against me, I'm talking about my wife's parents who we live with, who are already very traumatized by whats been happening we, they rely on us, they rely on us to look after them and I won't have my ability to care for them compromised by these men going above and beyond what's written in the literature and coercing my in laws to shun us even though we live under the same roof. So I have a few things to say to them, in fact the only reason, the only reason I'm going to a Judicial Committee is because I need to communicate to them that just as they have the ability to make MY life a misery, I have some degree of ability to make life difficult for Jehovah's Witnesses in Croatia. I, I do believe that. I don't need to do it, I won't do it if there can be some agreement that my parents in law will be left alone. Some would say it's a threat. I'm the one being threatened here, I'm the one being threatened with shunning and two can play that game. So I just wanted to let you all know what's going on and thanks for watching."

  
  In his own words 'make of this what you will' and I do wonder what is behind all of this. I can't see how he could write a book on how to leave the JWs without going into detail about what was going on here so it will be interesting to read what he has to say.
  
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  Brochure: Religious and Ethical Position on Medical Therapy and Related Matters

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here's a link to jw org to a brochure that can be downloaded that summarizes some of the doctrinal positions of the organization.

  it was produced in 2012.it provides a good summary of what blood products are acceptable and those that are not.

  in so doing, it also makes them look like fools since there is no basis for their views.

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  Here's a link to JW org to a Brochure that can be downloaded that summarizes some of the doctrinal positions of the organization. It was produced in 2012.
  
  It provides a good summary of what blood products are acceptable and those that are not. In so doing, it also makes them look like fools since there is no basis for their views. It provides an easy reference for discussing their stance when talking with JWs.
  
  https://www.jw.org/en/medical-library/strategies-downloads/religious-and-ethical-position-medical-therapy/
  
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  New Store called Best Life Gifts

  by Franklin30 in

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  2. friends

  i noticed a recent post where it was suggested the store was taken over by hostile means!.

  the person who posted it pretended to have knowledge of why the store changed names but clearly was operating with an agenda!

  one filled with lies, misinformation and deceit!.

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  There is so much nonsense they're trying to sell to gullible JWs. Just one example is a tote with "just around the corner" written on it and pretty flowers. I'd link to it but don't feel inclined.

  Who cares if there was a hostile takeover or not, both businesses should be ashamed of themselves.
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  New Store called Best Life Gifts

  by Franklin30 in

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  i noticed a recent post where it was suggested the store was taken over by hostile means!.

  the person who posted it pretended to have knowledge of why the store changed names but clearly was operating with an agenda!

  one filled with lies, misinformation and deceit!.

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  Franklin30 since you are able to clear up the rumour about Ministry Ideaz and the sale of their shop I am wondering what you can tell us regarding Ministry Ideaz and Gerrit Losch.

  I have read that the owner of Ministry Ideaz paid for him and his wife to visit his family in Equador. Could you advise what you know regarding this matter?

  Also, how much does Ministry Ideaz pay it's employees in Equidor?
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  W5 Investigation

  by Christian Gutierrez in

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  2. friends

  hey guys!

  i just want you guys to know that today is a really great day.

  there are so many jehovah's witnesses that saw this documentary and were disgusted by watchtowers policy.

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  Thanks for having the courage to share your stories. This may even impact your previous JW friends and acquaintances, who now know more of the facts behind you leaving.
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  New Store called Best Life Gifts

  by Franklin30 in

  1. jw
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  i noticed a recent post where it was suggested the store was taken over by hostile means!.

  the person who posted it pretended to have knowledge of why the store changed names but clearly was operating with an agenda!

  one filled with lies, misinformation and deceit!.

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  You're spot on with this Sparrowdown. These businesses are leeches on an already ugly Watchtower.
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  Demon dog

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  look at the picture for yesterday's watchtower study.

  see the good jw folks sitting around the campfire..... zoooom in on that campfire.

  have a good look..

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  If I turn the picture upside down, I can see the profile of a dog. His eye is towards the top and his nose is near the guys left hand. If it's just a fire then the bottom half of the fire is not normal.