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  Youtube videos doing the JW rounds. Gods name

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so here in the uk this video is getting jws very excited.

  now my mum actualy said it wa funny to hear jw music at the start and finish.

  so i'm wondering if the watchtower had any input into this.

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  John Wyatt has now disabled the comments on this Youtube.
  
  I challenged him yesterday regarding no JWs being involved and he replied
  
  "You are the one doing the deceiving here. Trying to convince others that it's a Watchtower propaganda film. There were no Jehovah's Witnesses involved in the production of this documentary with only one exception. That was the giving of permission to use film footage of the convention in Berlin, and to use the song. "
  
  I replied with a link about Lorenz Reibling being a JW and an Elder, posting a link and stating he could google many references to Reibling. Including one link.http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2015.html
  
  
  I thought he would respond again claiming they were all lies but he didn't.
  
  It seems that with the recent attention from us ex JWs and comments posted on his Youtube he doesn't want to deal with it and has gone the way of many JWs by disabling comments.
  
  
  
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  Youtube videos doing the JW rounds. Gods name

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so here in the uk this video is getting jws very excited.

  now my mum actualy said it wa funny to hear jw music at the start and finish.

  so i'm wondering if the watchtower had any input into this.

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  Lorenz Reibling is credited at the end of the film as sponsoring the film.
  
  Orphan Crow wrote about him a few years ago -
  
  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/315890005/lorenz-reibling-gives-interview-about-real-estate
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  Happy Birthday smiddy3

  by smiddy3 in

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  Happy Birthday Smiddy.
  
  
  
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  WOODSTOCK

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it’s starting to filter in, the truth about why the grumpy buzzards wanted to move to warwick.

  lol.

  they are unhappy that their best time in life was moved to bethel and are hoping to relive woodstock in the place it should have been 49 years ago next month.

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  I can’t wait till next year, for the 50th year jubilee of Woodstock, and whatever the Gasfilled Balloons conjors up to mark the event.

  
  Maybe they should ask to play their cart song.
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  But it's not about the Money

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  money was the motivator.. .

  money.

  again, money was the motivator.. .

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  You're very much on the same thought line as Eric Wilson's latest article on Beroean Pickets. He's included short clips from the Watchtower.
  
  http://beroeans.net/2018/06/30/identifying-true-worship-part-11-the-unrighteous-riches/
  
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  A picture of Morris with
  
  "Tight Pants Tony, what phobia will he next impose on you?"
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  Something that really ticked me off about seeing the video of New Head Quarters of J.W.s (Warwick)

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a jw it was always emphasized that we should trust in jehovah completely.

  jah will protect his people do not trust in man, throw your burdens upon jehovah etc.ok now if that's true wouldn't it mean that if jehovah was going to protect anywhere it should be his world head quarters right?.

  we were told to not trust in ourselves (such as guns,walls for defense and protection) but to leave it in jehovah's hands and he would provide a means for escape etc.so as i'm watching some pro-wt vid's about the facilities in warwick i noticed something they didn't show on them or focus on and only reason i know about it was because of the w5 newscast as well as the vids the protesters shared.they conveniently leave out the parts of them putting walls/fences and gates as well as a "guard shack" at entrance instead of relying on jehovah to protect them.the guard house even has a "no trespassing" sign in the window.

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  So much for keeping their lives simple.

  They even have their own fire engine at Warwick.
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  The biggest news of the year for Mr. and Mrs. Totally ADD

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  this is bigger than christmas and birthdays wrap into one.

  thanks to the australian royal commission our youngest son has woke up.

  we received a e-mail from him tonight where he apologized to us for shunning us all these years, how bad he felt for doing this.

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  That's wonderful news, I'm happy for you both.
  
  Thank you to all those that participated in the ARC, either by opening up to their own stories, emailing, phoning or writing to the Commission.
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  Olin Moyle

  by Vincent Law in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  olin moyle was a attorney for the wtbts during joseph rutherford reign.

  his papers from wtbts are still at princeton in the rare books section and boxed up.

  what is the likely hood that that there was political entanglement and that politics did not keep wtbts at arm's length but from time to time has used the wtbts for it's purposes.

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  Are you talking about books or papers and what are they doing in Princeton?
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  Watch Tower History

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we've posted updated and new research on our history blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/temporary-post.html.

  this is rough draft material for a chapter in vol.

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  It seems to me that there is a lot of discussion about what Russel was teaching but much of it is left out. In particular, what he was professing would soon occur and the dates he put forward. Much of the focus is on his teachings which do have a lot of Biblical backing for them but little or no discussion on his false teachings. For instance, what exactly was this upcoming 'gospel age' that he was advocating and did he set a date for this or for Armageddon?
  
  

  As side issues, this presents us with interesting fare. The tracts were free, paid for primarily out of Russell’s pocket and secondarily by contributions to the Tract Fund. The modern Watchtower Society declined to allow us access to the ledger book from this period, which still exists. We do not know why.
  

  
  Do you have any proof that the tracts were primarily paid for from Russell's pocket primarily? This is especially in view of the fact that you admit to not having access to the ledgers of that time.
  
  It is possible that what was printed in publications about the funding at that time was deceptive, just as the current Watchtower is today. So much discussion is made about the free tracts and little on the publications/bibles he sold.
  
  The tracts served the purpose of advertising and it was through them that individuals were encouraged to purchase more substantial publications.
  
  

  But in terms of income levels in the 1880s, an immense amount of money was expended to provide evangelizers with free tracts. This gives the lie to the claims of some former-adherents that the Watch Tower was founded by Russell as a money making scheme. It was a money-losing proposition
  

  
  The fact that the tracts were distributed at no cost in no way proves that Russell was not establishing a money making scheme. In many businesses you've got to create a market who is ready and willing to part with their money for more of your products. Many businessmen expect a loss in the initial years in order to reap profits in the following years. There are various methods that businesses use to encourage people to purchase their products. Providing free samples or advertising in brochures are just two, both methods being used by Russell and who knows what else because there is little discussion about this.
  
  His venture into his Photo-Drama of Creation was another innovative project which he was prepared to gamble on.
  
  

  The message of God’s Love contrasted with the message of fear preached in Christendom. In Russell’s view God would save the bulk of humanity, in what some call “near-universal salvation.”
  

  
  I cannot see any substantiation regarding the claim that his message did not include a measure of fear, just as Christendom's does. If the idea is that more humans would be saved under Russell's idea's than under Christendoms, this doesn't mean you can claim there was no fear being taught through his doctrines. To also claim that all of Christendom were preaching fear is not proven and may well be false.
  
  

  His passion for individual and public testimony shows through despite his questionable punctuation and grammar. And to his readership it was the passion that mattered. They saw it as founded on Biblical “truth.”
  

  
  I find this comment intriguing. It would have been more correct to claim "His passion for individual and public testimony shows through despite his questionable teachings of Biblical 'truth'." And then you follow on with a significant comment in saying that it was his passion that mattered to his readers. That seems to be very much the case because his teachings could not hold water on their own.
  
  In conclusion, I find the blog very biased and it seems that the writer has been moved by his passion.