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Need help. Daughter wants to leave org but does not know how.

by Indian Larry in

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long question, but very important.. i can use some help.

my daughter wants out of the organization and i need some advise.. here is my background in a nutshell.

i am fully faded for 10+ years.

Listener

Here's YOUR biggest problem - that you can't see a way out for her. There are thousands of ex JWs have found it but it is very difficult. It can take a long time. Still, you need to be positive so you can help her.

Its natural for you to find it hard to deal with serious problems like this but it's easy to see that you want to do what's best for your daughter.

You are in a tricky situation yourself as you need to be careful how you show your support or there will be reprecussions for you also, both from your wife and fellow JWs. You need to consider how far you are prepared to go and what your priorities are.

The best way to take this is one step at a time and you've already taken a good course.

You support her in stopping the door to door work and you hav made sure she is seeing a therapist. Since she is seeing a therapist as you recognise she is depressed then now might be the time for her to stop going to meetings (midweek first) if that is what she wants to do. If she is questioned about this you can get the Elders to speak to you as you are the head of the family and explain that due to her health you feel she needs a break.

It's hard to get a handle on the whole story through the Internet and I do wonder how much her situation with dating a JW that she has decided she no longer wants to, plays into this? It's tough breaking off a relationship as a JW because it has reprecussions in the congregation. Just one aspect is the guilt feeling that you should only be dating with a view to marriage.

All this (the boyfriend) may be the root of the problem and once she can find her way of getting out of this without any scars she will be in a much better position to decide what steps she wants to take about the religion.

I am trying to say that you need to be careful so as not to add to her problems, if you encourage and push her or are negative about the religion at a time when this is not an issue with her you may end up regretting it.

It is such a difficult time for a young lady to deal with her own emotions and know what she wants.

You sound like a lovely father.

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Cardinal George Pell sentenced to 6 years in Jail

by smiddy3 in

today cardinal pell received a sentence of 6 years in jail with a 3 years & 8 months before he is eligible for parole.. and he has been put on the sex offenders register list for the rest of his life.. his appeal case comes up in june .. i wonder what pope francis will do now ,wait till after his appeal is heard before he acts ?.

Listener

I never thought I would say this but Bill Shorten is earning my respect more and more. He spoke like a leader, you would think he was already our Prime Minister.

This comes after ex Prime Ministers have shown their support for the already convicted Pell.

I hope more victims find the strength to see that their abusers are brought to answer for their crimes. No man is too important to be brought to justice, even one of the highest Catholic officials.

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Awake No. 2 2019 - Way To Destroy Your Childrens Hopes And Dreams Watchtower!

by pale.emperor in

not that i spend much time on the cult's website, but i like to skim through their latest propaganda to make sure i'm up to date with their nuttiness.

(and when i say skim, i mean just that.

the wafer thin, dumbed down content can be read in like 2 mins flat).. i just had to share my thoughts on the above piece of trash.. no.

Listener

Their own power structure within their organization does not promote humility amongst the men. It is something they only give lip service to.

These old men, who haven't raised children have no idea how to raise them but they know very little about getting a good job also. Sure, if you're going to work at McDonald's then humility and a demonstration of subservience might get you the job. Getting a more challenging and rewarding job takes a lot of work and self promotion at an interview is very important. Their advice could not be worse.

This article indicates that they don't even want JWs having good jobs. They live in such a warped cultish environment that they lose any touch with reality. When it comes to having a good job, employers don't want slaves, they want confident and independent individuals.

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The phrase "one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

by Ding in

jws don't say, "i am a jehovah's witness.".

instead, they say, "i am one of jehovah's witnesses.".

what does the second way of saying it convey that the first does not?.

Listener

Are both of the following correct?

'I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses'

'I am one of Jehovah's witnesses'

I am no expert in the English language but I would have thought the first statement was wrong because by using a capital W, it becomes a label and therefore should be

'I am one of the Jehovah's Witnesses'

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The phrase "one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

by Ding in

jws don't say, "i am a jehovah's witness.".

instead, they say, "i am one of jehovah's witnesses.".

what does the second way of saying it convey that the first does not?.

Listener

That's interesting Blondie. It makes the JWs look very undignified by adopting the use of JW and I wonder if this had anything to do with Nelsons inspired message to stop using nicknames and abbreviations when referring to their own Church.

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WT-Closing In On 50 Subpoenas!

by Atlantis in

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more subpoenas have been added.

so the watchtower is getting close to 50. i think there are about 44 of them listed here.

brumley the witchhunter!.

Listener

As representatives of Jehovah's earthly organization they would want to be very careful with what they put in their letters.

In Lloyds video he read out a letter they had sent to him over a year ago threatening legal action if he didn't do all that they were demanding. You can't bully someone or demand that they stop doing something if it is not illegal, they are stepping out of line.

Since he didn't do all that they demanded then they have to proceed with legal action or they prove themselves to be deliberate liars.

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Ending Bible Study

by Maria Nieves in

i have been studying with jehovah's witnesses for approximately two years.

initially, i liked the studies and felt that i was growing closer to god.

however, as the studies progressed, they seemed to become increasingly negative and i did not like what i was being taught.

Listener

I picked up this idea elsewhere and thought it was a good suggestion.

You could get the JW a small gift and thank them for the studies that you have had together. Explain that you've gone as far as you are happy with and don't feel you would get anything out of studying any further.

By giving a gift you allow yourself to feel less guilty and your kindness makes easier when you meet in public.

Not that you should feel guilty anyway. As already mentioned, you should have been dropped as a study long ago as you weren't 'progressing' by their standards and that is what they have been told to do. Also, the JW was doing nothing extraordinary as they've been trained to do this. They record their study time and get to mark it down as a study. They report this to their Elders with pride. It's not just in your interest that they have been doing this in the first place. They also expect that most of their studies will not get baptised eventually.

Currently it takes over 12,000 witnessing hours to get one new recruit and that new recruit may be a family member so it takes many more hours to recruit others.

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Ending Bible Study

by Maria Nieves in

i have been studying with jehovah's witnesses for approximately two years.

initially, i liked the studies and felt that i was growing closer to god.

however, as the studies progressed, they seemed to become increasingly negative and i did not like what i was being taught.

Listener

As Stan says, say no.

A lot of JWs will pressure their studies to do more the longer they study. This is what they are trained to do.

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Angus Stewart QC appointed as Federal Court Judge in Australia

by Listener in

angus stewart who did such a tremendous job in exposing many of the wrongs regarding how the watchtower deals with child abuse accusations during the australian royal commission into the handling of child abuse has been given a well deserved appointment.a media release on 22 feb. 2019 states in part -.

mr darren jackson sc, mr michael o'bryan qc, mr angus stewart sc and mr john snaden have been appointed as judges of the federal court of australia...mr stewart will commence in the sydney registry on 25 february 2019. he completed a bachelor of arts in 1986 and a bachelor of laws in 1991 at the university of natal in south africa, and completed a bachelor of civil law (hons) at the university of oxford in 1994. mr stewart practised at the bar in south africa for 15 years, with five years as silk.

he was called to the new south wales bar in 2011 and was appointed silk in 2014. mr stewart has specialised in admiralty and maritime law, international trade and international commercial arbitration, in addition to practice across a number of other areas of law.. https://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/media/pages/appointments-to-the-federal-court-of-australia.aspx

Listener

Angus Stewart who did such a tremendous job in exposing many of the wrongs regarding how the Watchtower deals with child abuse accusations during the Australian Royal Commission into the handling of child abuse has been given a well deserved appointment.

A media release on 22 Feb. 2019 states in part -

Mr Darren Jackson SC, Mr Michael O'Bryan QC, Mr Angus Stewart SC and Mr John Snaden have been appointed as judges of the Federal Court of Australia...

Mr Stewart will commence in the Sydney registry on 25 February 2019. He completed a Bachelor of Arts in 1986 and a Bachelor of Laws in 1991 at the University of Natal in South Africa, and completed a Bachelor of Civil Law (Hons) at the University of Oxford in 1994. Mr Stewart practised at the Bar in South Africa for 15 years, with five years as silk. He was called to the New South Wales Bar in 2011 and was appointed silk in 2014. Mr Stewart has specialised in admiralty and maritime law, international trade and international commercial arbitration, in addition to practice across a number of other areas of law.

https://www.attorneygeneral.gov.au/Media/Pages/Appointments-to-the-Federal-Court-of-Australia.aspx

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OK, We Need To Talk About The Crazy New Great Tribulation Video...

by pale.emperor in

if you haven't seen it already, skip to 1:14:30 in lloyds video and watch the craziness unfold.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2y7f7-k5wo.

i'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.. they're digging themselves a great hole here, in about 30 years time they'll be claiming this video was a mere "speculation" and that "some people" got the wrong ideas..

Listener

Rattingan, could you explain what this business model is that he has found and is it just speculation or has he found factual evidence?