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  Orange County, CA: New Case and New Legal Tactic

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  john roe 1 vs. defendant doe 1, congregation is a child sexual abuse case pending before the superior court of california, orange county (judge john c. gastelum).

  jury trial is scheduled on june 15, 2020, but it may not occur: the judge is expected to decide on multiple pre-trial motions including motion for sanctions filed by plantiffs; next hearing on pre-trial motions is scheduled on may 14.. case docket is available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dbqcronnkeax492pshgwpuoubt-xaabz/view?usp=sharing .

  case documents are available for purchase here: https://ocapps.occourts.org/civilwebshoppingns/search.do (case number 30-2014-00741722-cu-po-cjc).. during the course of this litigation the court ordered watchtower to produce molestation complaints it received, redacting only names of victims and elders handling the matters.

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  Listener

  Thanks Corney, this is the first I have read about this case.
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  New Book: Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last!

  by Afterburn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it is a new book, now available on their website in pdf, and it is basically an update to survival—into a new earth!

  (1984), the book that convinced me to get baptized at age 12.. i'm not going to review the entire book here.. because matthew 28:18-20 specifies baptizing as part of the great commission, and because hebrews 6:1-2 lists the teaching on baptisms as among the primary doctrine about the christ, i intend to focus on the portion of the new publication that deals with baptism.. in chapter 16, on pages 178 and 179, paragraph 17 states:.

  17 to survive the coming destruction, individuals need to prove their faith now.

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  Listener

  Thank you Afterburner. It was very confusing to read the Greek scriptures that mentioned baptism with a JW understanding. None of them supported their interpretation.

  With their viewpoint that the Greek scriptures were written only to the anointed, it's amazing that they even say that baptism is also for the other sheep.
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  Enjoyed the Memorial

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  probably not a popular opinion on here....and haven't been actively attending meetings since 1988....(i know i know a submarine attender) however thoroughly enjoyed attending this evening...was good to see lots of people i remember whilst growing up in this faith, they were genuine and the whole atmosphere was one of love.

  sure if i suddenly wanted to become active again and didn't change my lifestyle they would drop me like a bomb.....however i haven't and won't and they didn't and don't.

  this works for me.. i cannot demonize the witnesses on what i have seen tonight.

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  Listener

  Personally, I put the teachings and practices of the church as the number one reason why I would or would not attend and participate. Genuine love can be found in many churches, there are good people in society.
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  special talk

  by inbetween09 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  yesterday was the premiere, at least in our hall.

  the special talk was given first time before the memorial and on stream, not live.. must haven been outstanding, right ?

  well.... it was a rather underwhelming experience, nothing special.

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  Listener

  Inbetween09 - "Only a babtized JW can attain eternal life".
  
  

  
  I wonder how the thief on the cross next to Jesus was able to get baptized before Jesus said he would be saved.
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  Unky Punky just wanted ...

  by punkofnice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...to drop by and say, 'ayup, mates', to you all, my old friends.. i am so totally over the jobo thing i have surprised myself.. if anyone asks, 'what do you think of the jobos?

  ' my reply would be, 'i don't think of them.'.

  all my rage, anger and sadness have dissipated over time.

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  Listener

  Great to hear from you Punkofnice, also that you are doing so well.
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  Great Crowd Started Forming in the 20th Century

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone have wts quotations showing that the call of the great crowd did not begin before the 20th century?.

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  Listener

  From UW Chapter 13
  
  

  the apostle John was shown in vision that there would be a great crowd that would actually survive the “great tribulation” and, without dying, have the prospect of living forever.​—Rev. 7:9-17.
  Identifying the “Great Crowd”
  2. What led up to a clear understanding of the identity of the “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9?
  2 For centuries the identity of this “great crowd” was not understood. But the progressive understanding of related prophecies prepared the way. In 1923 it was discerned that the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable at Matthew 25:31-46 and the “other sheep” to which he referred at John 10:16 were persons now living who would have opportunity to dwell forever here on earth. In 1931 the ones described in Ezekiel 9:1-11 as being marked in their foreheads by the man with the secretary’s inkhorn were identified with the “sheep” of Matthew chapter 25. Then, in 1935, the “great multitude,” or “great crowd,” of Revelation 7:9-17 was seen to be the same as the “sheep” of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Although back in 1923 it was realized that some such sheeplike individuals had already begun to manifest themselves, it was not until 1935 that their numbers began to grow rapidly. Today there are literally millions who are seeking to be identified as part of that divinely favored “great crowd” of the “other sheep.”
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  Anthony Morris- Military records are now available under FOIA

  by Bleep Bloop in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you've wondered what tony morris' original last name was, or if he really served in the military, i put up a youtube video today summarizing many of these details.

  my goal is not to doxx him or his family, but to put some meat on the bones of his life story article, using available public records.. thanks to the community here that gave me the impetus to dig into this.

  and i can definitively say that, contrary to popular opinion, his last name was not esposito haha.

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  Listener

  That's an incredible amount of research and the most detailed history on Anthony Morris III or should I say Anthony Morris Jnr since this is on a public forum?
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  Beroean Pickets- please offer encouragement

  by Lightgrowsbrighter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for many who have left jw.org, there is still a spiritual need and faith in the bible.

  beroean pickets is one group/website where serious bible research and commentary, weekly critical reviews of wt studies, as well expose's of flawed wt opinion/doctrine- all backed by the bible- can be considered.

  this vast amount of work and research is all done by just a small group of our volunteer brothers and sisters.

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  I'm not too sure that they are paranoid in this instance as they have every reason to be concerned with how they handle their JC with Eric Wilson.
  
  My thoughts are with Eric Wilson as you think you've got the organization worked out and it just sinks lower and lower with their tactics.
  
  
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  Listener

  This is a transcript of the email that Mark from Watchtower in Focus received. He says a letter was written to a Governing Body Helper that works closely with Morris explaining concerns over this incidence. The reply from the helper stated -

  Dear ..
  
  While I appreciate the concern of the Brother "who witnessed this" I also have some concerns about the assumptions made.
  
  Please keep in mind that there are a number of circumstances that others may not be aware of. For example, using the purchase in connection with visitors, graduates from Gillead or the Branch Committee School, also over what period of time will this be used?
  
  As far as dedicated funds, some of our Brothers had businesses prior to coming to Bethel. I will not get too personal on Brother Morris' circumstances in that regard.
  It does point out that our dear Brothers are a "theatrical spectacle" so please assume the best of our dear Brother. Thank you

  
  
  The response explains that there are a number of assumptions made and he has concerns about this. He then proceeds to make a number of his own assumptions but expresses no concerns whatsoever with these. In fact, there are a number of concerns if we were to examine them..
  
  He then explains the obvious - that there are a number of reasons why behind Morris' actions but doesn't even attempt to give anything factual when it is within his ability to do so and further to that, he has been asked to do so. I guess that if a Brother does have concerns about this then they are not only entitled to ask Morris directly but Biblical direction would make him required to address it.
  
  One of his suggestions is that they have been bought as gifts for other Brothers/Sisters. I wonder if anyone has gone out and bought something like expensive bottles of perfume for the Sisters. I can't imagine many of them being interested in Scotch Whiskey. But this is a boys club to begin with and only further cements it as such.
  
  Another problem is why are they giving such gifts to other Brothers? When I mentioned this video to my husband (never a JW) the first thing he said was it could be a type of bribery. How much more are these JWs going to feel indebted to the GB with expensive gifts being showered on them? How many should be stumbled because of this? How many Bethelites or other JWs would be offended when they hear of this?
  
  The GB Helper then chooses to completely ignore the issue of whether dedicated funds have been used or not. There are no reassurances here even though it would be easy enough for him to find out or advise. He obviously shows no concern for the Brother who has written the letter in the first place, even though he claims that he does.
  
  The odd thing is that the GB Helper refers to Morris as being a 'theatrical spectacle'. He's a spectacle for sure but a 'theatrical' one? That surely means that what he does is an act. The man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz comes to mind. Regardless, how did the GB get to a position where they are 'spectacles'?
  
  Then without any explanations of the actions of Morris he turns this all around and asks that the letter writer ASSUME the best of Morris.
  
  One thing does stand out - he does not deny this happened. His letter suggests that it did.
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  Jw.org news about new assignment

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just read this interesting news at jw.org.

  g.. .

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  Listener

  It's good to hear that you are doing well in moving on. It would be appreciated if you could put threads like this that you start under Social - Jokes and Humor or Entertainment. There's a good reason why there are different topic labels to post under.