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Return to Kingdom Hall Meetings - Letter to Elder Bodies?

by JWTom in

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a couple of threads over on reddit that there is a letter to elders on restarting meetings.

i find this hard to believe and have not seen anything on this from our trusty sources on this site.

can anyone confirm?.

Listener

Jonahstourguide -The talk among elders in WA is "isn't this a bit premature?"

I'm not surprised that the murmuring amongst the WA Elders is to question it.

This is what the GB Announcement says in part

The branches participating will select Kingdom Halls in areas where vaccination rates are high and infection rates are low.

The fully vaccinated rate in WA is only 53% whereas Vic and NSW are around the 70% mark. Although there are zero cases in WA and a couple of thousand cases per day in Victoria.

It would appear that they have chosen WA purely on cases rather than vaccination rates.

With NSW, in particular, opening up, it would be expected that WA could soon have a problem. Even though WA has a closed border policy, there are still many truck drivers and exempted persons from other states travelling in. I wouldn't be surprised if we, in WA are in lockdown fairly soon.

The Elders in WA will just have to be ready to shut the KHs and go back to what they have currently been doing when this does happen.

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Committee investigations

by road to nowhere in

this almost should be in humor.

the wt today mentioned committees never rushing to judgement.

not unless supper is getting cold.. i did know of one "investigation" that took a long time.

Listener

I wonder if they are now saying not to quickly decide to df someone and they are easing up a little.

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New Media Center

by asp59 in

ii wonder if you are a jw how new media center goes along with this text.. 1 corinthians 3:6-9new international version.

6 i planted the seed,(a) apollos watered it, but god has been making it grow.

paulus planted.

Listener

JW Gone Bad - Why else would WT, during the 2021 AGM, address this belly-aching the rank & file are having about the Ramapo Media Center if it isn't really becoming a problem?

It must seem a very strange thing that the Watchtower is doing by focusing on how important the building work is and that it's for Jehovah.

It's been indoctrinated into JWs how the door to door work sets them apart from every other religion and now that's been stopped for nearly two years.

They can't very well go telling Worldly people that they identify as the true religion because they are building media centres.

You could probably say that to many JWs it doesn't make sense from a human or strategic standpoint and I guess that's why they are suggesting they will be used in the New World.

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1995 generation change

by Gorb in

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now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.

it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.

with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.

Listener

Watson - "just bumping this up, because in today's wt study #30, "Place in J's family",

wt makes the deliberate mistake again to call today's jws "The great Crowd", when the real thing might be, according to the overlap timing, not be known for over 50 years, After the GT, in 2075. "

Was this part of the point that TD was making and the great hole in their teaching that still continues? That is, for decades the OS have been considered as members of the Great Crowd when they should never have been considered as such and as you point out Waton, they still continue to do so in their recent Watchtower.

Even now, with the new overlapping teaching of the generation means that they have provided a window up until approximately 2075 for Armageddon, meaning that millions of JWs today may not see Armageddon and therefore have no chance of being part of the GC. Saying that they have the prospect of being a member of the GC is one thing but saying they are part of the GC is not correct.

Did the article refer to today's JWs as the GC or potential members of the GC?

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Annual Meeting

by sove in

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is it the annual meeting this weekend?

any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

Listener

Anony mous - So their excuse to build a media center by 2026 is that this is for the new world.

They say it in one breath and then they tell the JWs that all they need to do at Armageddon is to hide since the authorities/gog of magog will be seeking them out. They could hardly hide in these colossal building complexes and if they really will be sought after, these buildings would be destroyed.

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Annual Meeting

by sove in

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friends

is it the annual meeting this weekend?

any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

Listener

Thanks Atlantis.

They kept mentioning 'food at the proper time' but most JWs have to wait until January to receive this, three months away.

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Annual Meeting

by sove in

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friends

is it the annual meeting this weekend?

any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

Listener

The response to the concerns is no surprise, they hope that it will be used after Armageddon.

The same thing was mentioned about their Jesus video series which they are planning to do in Sydney, Australia. Work has been underway in building the set. They've been spending a lot of time trying to make it look old and making concrete look like stone but it just looks like all the fakeness that you see in places like Disneyland.

They really think that its a possibility the Jesus video series will be used in their 'new world' to teach resurrected ones about the life of Jesus on earth.

By their own teachings, even though they say that all Christians still alive after Jesus dies are in heaven, there are still thousands that could give a factual and more detail account of his life on earth from having been eyewitnesses.

I guess this 'new world' is going to continue to have movie screens. That should be enough of an excuse for JWs to go and get training in anything to do with this technology.

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Annual Meeting

by sove in

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friends

is it the annual meeting this weekend?

any insights on "new light" or new releases?.

Listener

Here's a link to the whole of the AGM

https://2021am.stream.jw.org/home

Is this a link directly to jw.org streaming? I don't know how long this will remain available.

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Any signs that Kingdom Halls will re-open soon or door to door work will re-start again?

by eyeslice in

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i've not heard anything from pimi wife about going back to the khs yet let alone the door to door work.. many churches round here have re-opened if only for private pray and i am guessing that things like singing may be a factor in the reluctance of the witnesses to get back together again.

i also detect that many older ones are still quite afraid to go anywhere they may come in contact with people, even for shopping.

on the other hand, here in uk you can now go to a football match with 70,000 others shouting and chanting.. the door to door work may a total different issue.

Listener

They've recently put up a new video titled "Ramapo, make yourself ready" They say they've been in the planning stages for the last two years and are ahead. Initially they have said that construction will commence in 2022.

The video was to encourage JWs to prepare to help out with construction or to give them money. They also want parents to have their teenage children learn some skills.

I can't see how they can go full steam ahead with this project but not open up Halls, at least to some extent.

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Sep. 2021 Broadcast: more money

by neat blue dog in

in the latest jw broadcast, anthony morris the turd gives a talk about donations.

to camouflage this, he starts and ends the talk by saying that isn't actually what he's doing.

first he starts with the usual disclaimer, 'wt has never begged for money like christendom and we never will', you know the drill.

Listener

He also stated that Jehovah and Jesus expects them to donate money, even if they are poor.

It's a shocking talk, guilting the poor into donating and it is centred around donating to the organization, not specifically to their local congregation.

It's not the fault of JWs that the Watchtower decided to discontinue their main source of funds of selling publications to JWs resulting in them having to find other ways to guilt JWs into giving them money.

It's one thing for Christians being asked to donate to their local Church or Congregation but being required to fork out funds for all different sorts of activities is going beyond any biblical backing to do so. The JWs are required to donate towards disaster relief, even if the affected JW has insurance. There's also the financial support of special pioneers, even if they volunteer in their own local area. There's the future building of several media centres which include support of bethelites by covering their accommodation and board expenses. There's also the many out of court settlements which they know nothing about and the list goes on.

There's no transparency from the Watchtower HQ as to how much money goes where and virtually no option for the JWs to donate to specific causes. I don't see how God would expect worshipers to donate to a third party, the Watchtower who have distanced themselves from individual JWs.