I wonder if he might be PIMO. That's a lot of terms for him to be familiar with.
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Apostates apparently have their own terminology
by Vanderhoven7 ina dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.
"those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.
“8 old men in new york”,.
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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court
by Diogenesister inwatchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.
the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.
he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.
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Die hard/naive JWs will heed the wise words found in their Publications.
It appears that the Watchtower is using the persecution of JWs in Russia as an example for JWs to follow in other situations.
This is in the Nivember 2022 Watchtower
" 12. What do we learn from our brothers and sisters in Russia?
12 Consider how our brothers and sisters in Russia have come to the aid of their dear fellow believers who are imprisoned. When some are put on trial, many brothers and sisters come to the court to support them. What is the lesson for us? When responsible brothers are defamed, arrested, or persecuted, do not become intimidated. Pray for them, care for their family members, and look for other practical ways to show your support.—Acts 12:5; 2 Cor. 1:10, 11."
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Of course it's the fault of the rank and file, they need to be told off for showing a lack of respect, nothing to do with the GB and their helpers putting themselves out there.
That article tries to claim that rather than showing a lack of good manners, they are going to the opposite extreme. What would that look like? That they are showing way too much good manners? Surely there isn't anything wrong with that and there would be some biblical examples to support it.
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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Mikejw - This is the reason that Smurfgirl is not credible, it's a summary put together by some reddit user and comes straight from Smurfgirl/Veronica herself. It basically comes from her many calls to sixscreens over the years.
I posted an even shorter summary from that on reddit, as follows -
Veronica remembers the following GB members present at occultist meetings: Fred Franz, Lyman Swingle, Henschel, Nathan Knorr, etc. The members would get into fist fights if things didn’t go the way they were supposed to go.
Lots of bloodletting and animal sacrifices, they would also pretend to kill someone as part of their ritual. Lots of beatings, but she never saw someone killed.
The GB wanted to get answers on everything. They wanted to know if they were chosen in 1914, etc. They would use crystal balls, masonic tarot decks (the watchtower card stands for destruction), they wanted info on the Catholics, their prophecies, they would always consult their channels (mirrors, crystals, automatic writing, palm reading, looking into water).
They had pedophiles placed in certain congregations when they needed a “sacrifice”. And they would have countless of children raped until they got the result they wanted.
Veronica was an automatic writer for the Governing Body.
She would wake up to a black chair rocking in her room, like in the exorcist (Obviously it was a Demon on the rocking chair).
Her parents would lock their bedroom but leave the back door open, then the Watchtower would come and take her. They took her to a field with a pentagram and they would sacrifice adorable animals, and Fred Franz would laugh, as if he was possessed, it certainly wasn’t a human laugh. They would wear Masonic robes. They would lay her and do things to her, things a little girl wouldn’t want to be done to her.
Her mother would violate her a with wooden spoon and she was beaten in a sexual manner.
She knows of too many active pedophiles in the Kingdom Halls and nothing is being done.
The GB and The DaVinci Code are synonymous to Veronica.
She was flown out to England by the Watchtower, she was allowed to sign the Queen of England’s guest book, they had special treatment from the Watchtower.
“If you don’t hear from me, tell people it is the Watchtower”, she says this after admitting to being fearful for her life.
She was drugged by a Circuit Overseer. Usually, the higher you go in the pyramid, the more corrupt they are. Only trust low-level ranking publishers.
Stephen Lett uses code words to get people in trances.
Veronica was forced to mirror gaze, this is how a lot of the garbage in Revelation, It's Grand Climax At Hand was created.
This is why JWs hate Catholics, because they killed their “Grand Masters”.
The Knights Templars wore long beards and long black tunics. CT Russell didn’t want to wear the tunic so he put the cross and crown on his jacket.
She would lay on her side like some prophecy from Ezekiel. Veronica used a ballerina box that she wined up 13 times, she created her own ritual, eventually, she would light her own candles, GB was hesitant at first because she was too young. They then published an article about Ezekiel and the box, because it was basically her ritual.
In one broadcast, Veronica begins crying as she remembers Fred Franz & The Governing Body amputating her Pinky.
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Investment departments in Bethel
by Mikejw ini was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.
the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .
but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .
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Mikejw, I was hoping that you had some credibility but if you find that someone like Smurfgirl is an excellent source of information then you've lost me.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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What about contacting Lloyd and asking if he would like to contribute or to refute the claims which you would consider including and at cost?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It's working now Vintage. The video on page 447 works but whatever you linked to on this page doesn't work for me. -
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Vienne----------Smiles----------Atlantis!
by Atlantis invienne:.
from time to time we do this vienne.
if grandpa wrote something that sounded uncomfortable or was too harsh, then you just let old grandpa apologize right up front with no questions asked.
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It might not be alocohol that is making all eight of them drunk but it's definately spirits of one kind or another and they are drunk on power and importance.
The Bible even has scripture about the FDS
Matthew 24:49
49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards
But they're not just drunkards, they are very hungry, hence the potbellies. They are hungry for the money from their followers. Even closing the congregation bank accounts to enjoy all the spoils.
Very apt descriptions, one way or the other.
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Kneel before me, for I am an ... Activist!
by Simon ini thought it was just me that had a negative view of people who proclaim themselves to be activists.. but no, it seems i'm not alone!.
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I think a lot of ex JW activists may use that term simply with reference to the idea that they actively support work against the Watchtower organization.
The Miriam Webster dictionary states
: one who advocates or practices activism : a person who uses or supports strong actions (such as public protests) in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue
Lloyd coined the phrase "aggressive activism" and included public protests in this term. He did this to distinguish his type of activism as being acceptable as opposed to actions of other JWs as being unacceptable. However, what he is doing as opposed to other activists fall under the same definition.
He's simply changed the dictionary term of 'strong' to 'aggressive'
It's not activism that most ex JWs provide, it's support, encouragement and exposure.
But where do you draw the line of whether an ex JW is an activist or not?
For instance, I gather Simon wouldn't consider himself an activist and I doubt Raymond Franz would.
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All KH Bank accounts to close and all received contributions sent directly to the WT
by James Jack inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c6yshtkqu.
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Thanks Atlantis for the documents and Kim Silvio for her discussion.
The Newsletter of July 22 seems to be one that affects the Congregations under the UK Branch since they discuss Gibraltar and Andorra. Point 11 of the Newsletter states
11. Contacting the Branch: We are aware that these changes will result in many questions and doubts. The branch will try to anticipate these questions and provide answers by giving all the necessary details as the adjustments are being implemented. For that reason, there is no need to inquire now about details related to adjustments that will take effect eventually, and for which more information will be provided. After that, the Accounting Department will gladly help resolve any incident.
How is it that they are aware that the changes are going to create not only questions but also doubts? Normally they think everything they do is right which wouldn't create doubts, any changes would have the opposite affect by congratulating the GB for their thoughtful and beneficial changes. It seems they are already feeling guilty about this.
I love how JWs don't need to enquire with questions or expressions of doubt because the Branch will anticipate what they are. There's only so much guessing what JWs are thinking but to actually allow them to speak about it means they can take the guesswork out of it.
Not even after they have explained themselves does there appear to be an avenue in which they can raise their concerns since they say that after the process they can talk to their Accounting Department but only if there is an incident. Even then, it's only when an incident arises that they will be happy to address it, suggesting that anything before then will make them unhappy.
Point 1 of the Announcement, which appears to be acting as an introduction states -
1. Change in Congregations, Circuits and Kingdom Hall Operating Committees Accounting: As mentioned in the announcement of April 8, 2022 regarding the challenges in handling banking matters and transactions, we are pleased to announce in the following paragraphs the adjustments that will come into effect in September 2022.
They seem to be suggesting that the transfer of bank accounts is to take the responsibility away from the congregation brothers because it is too challenging. With all their talk about privileges it's just another one they are removing.
Does anyone know if they are doing the same in the U.S. or Australia Branches?