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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  He's as crooked as his nose. As is he doesn't know what begging is, he's a con man.
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  What Would Grandfather Say Now?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my late grandfather believed he was one of the anointed.

  that aside when asked about whether the jw organisation would last, he would pull out the attached wt magazine (the second edition) and say "if the day ever comes when the organisation asks for money outright, it will be proof that jehovah is not it's backer.

  " that's how convinced he was that such a thing would never happen.. i often wonder what my grandfather would make of the modern organisation today..

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  The opinions of many JWs change over time and they simply fall in line with what the Watchtower wants them to think.

  When your grandfather believed this, they were buying books and magazines regularly from the Watchtower. They were also selling them to the public. They were told the charge only covered the cost of printing.

  That all changed and JWs just accepted the new system. Chances are, your Grandfather would have gone along with it.
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  Watchtower cashing in on the Hamburg tragedy?

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you very much atlantis for all your hard work and for emailing a letter written by the watchtower (coming from the german branch possibly) to be read out to congregations by elders.. there is so much wrong in this letter.

  maybe some of it is due to being lost in translation but since the watchtower is predominantly english, it doesn't seem likely.

  the letter is as follows -.

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  Blues Brothers - They've been cashing in on JW funerals for a long time. The funeral service is very little about the person and more about the organization. They've softened up in recent years and are allowing a bit more talk on the individual.

  It is thought the reason for this was with the idea that many non JWs may attend the service and it was a good opportunity to preach to them.
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  Watchtower cashing in on the Hamburg tragedy?

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you very much atlantis for all your hard work and for emailing a letter written by the watchtower (coming from the german branch possibly) to be read out to congregations by elders.. there is so much wrong in this letter.

  maybe some of it is due to being lost in translation but since the watchtower is predominantly english, it doesn't seem likely.

  the letter is as follows -.

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  Listener

  Thank you very much Atlantis for all your hard work and for emailing a letter written by the Watchtower (coming from the German Branch possibly) to be read out to Congregations by Elders.

  There is so much wrong in this letter. Maybe some of it is due to being lost in translation but since the Watchtower is predominantly english, it doesn't seem likely

  The letter is as follows -

  (Header) JEHOVAS ZEUGEN AM STEINFELS 1, 65618 SELTERS (TAUNUS) ∙ TELEFON +49 6483 4 1-0 POSTANSCHRIFT: 65617 SELTERS ∙ DEUTSCHLAND ZWEIGBÜRO ZENTRALEUROPA AI:SCU
  March 16, 2023
  TO ALL CONGREGATIONS
  Re: Update on the Situation in Hamburg
  Dear Brothers:
  The cruel act in Hamburg on March 9, 2023, has severely affected the whole brotherhood. We are all saddened and suffer along with them. (1 Cor. 12:26) It is all the more overwhelming what has and is being accomplished locally to support our dear brothers and sisters, starting with the first hours after the crime and continuing until now.
  Many relief efforts have been coordinated in close communication with World Headquarters to best assist all those who are suffering. Brothers of the Hospital Liaison Committee, circuit overseers, Branch Committee representatives and many others have been working tirelessly last week and this week to assist and to provide comfort or practical help to victims, relatives, and brothers and sisters of the congregation. These efforts demonstrate Jehovah’s compassion. The words of Psalm 34:18 really come true: “Jehovah is close to the broken hearted.”
  We are pleased to inform you that a funeral program is planned, which will certainly provide special comfort to all those affected. A member of the Governing Body, representatives of World Headquarters, and members of the Branch Committee will also be present at this occasion. The program will take place in Hamburg on the last weekend in March 2023.
  Please continue to pray incessantly for the brothers and sisters who went through this traumatic experience (2 Cor. 1:8-11), and for everything that is being done to help them. We are convinced that Jehovah is our secure refuge in times of distress. (Ps. 9:9) Please be assured of our love.
  Your brothers,
  c.: Circuit overseers ZW EIGBÜRO ZENTRALEUROPA
  Re: Update on the Situation in Hamburg AI:SCU March 16, 2023
  Page 2 PS to coordinators of the bodies of elders: Please have this letter read at the next meeting

  I guess it's a very good thing when they claim that the shooting has SEVERLY affected the WHOLE Brotherhood. Hopefully it will have many asking how a JW can become so mentally affected as to cause such an atrocity and what the organization can do to minimize mental damage to individuals rather than inflicting them with cruel and wicked punishments such as shunning.

  Oddly, the JW News on JW Org no longer carries their story announcing the tragedy. It's been removed and there is no mention whatsoever on JW Org.

  They mention overwhelming support for the Bros and Sis's in the hours after but nothing specifically about the immediate response from the police and other non JW support. No mention of the non JW individuals/family members who would have been severely affected by this also. A shooting such as this doesn't affect JWs only and according to Kim (Newly Enlightened) there has been a lot of community support which the JWs are rejecting.

  Many relief efforts have been coordinated in close communication with World Headquarters to best assist all those who are suffering.

  Is this really a time to use common JW phrasing, particularly when it just sounds cultish and impersonal? What are 'relief efforts' in a situation like this? Why would there need to be communication with 'World Headquarters' in order to determine what is the best way to assist those suffering? Surely the local Brothers and Sisters are more than capable of providing support and seeking/accepting professional help as needed.

  It would seem that the Watchtower is more interested in making JWs think that the WH are vital in tragedies like this. But it's interesting to note that the only real support they are giving is communication.

  We are pleased to inform you that a funeral program is planned

  They are please to inform this? It's not a Wedding or a Birthday, it's a funeral. Why would anyone be pleased to tell others that they a planning funeral program. The wording is very poor and indicates that they aren't really interested in sharing in to sorrow of all those personally affected or making this a sombre occasion.

  No, this is quite the opposite to a modest funeral, which is what they have instructed in the past for JW funerals. For this occasion, they are happy to advise that there will be a GB member, WH Bethelites and Branch office members all of which are unlikely to even know these individuals.

  The tragedy occurred on the 9th of March, the 'program' is being held in the last week of March. It's being called a program, not a funeral because undoubtedly, the funerals would have already taken place which as is the tradition in Germany.

  What's the purpose of holding a program? Maybe because there had been plans to hold a public funeral (or one may be already proposed). It's what often happens these days and it's odd to see the Watchtower doing the same.

  The saddened families will have to sit through two services, weeks apart, that's not comforting.

  JWs are asked to 'pray incessantly' for those suffering, whoops, I mean, for the Brothers and Sisters who went through the traumatic experience. Is this bad translation again or do they really mean to pray incessantly. Incessantly meaning to do something "in an unceasing manner : without interruption or relief : continually"

  I wonder if this will be the norm when tragedies strike on a smaller scale for HQ to send GB members and HQ assistants to.
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  Watchtower Museums

  by eyeslice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now covid restrictions are over, they're pushing on with watchtower museums at many locations through out the world.. looks to me as if they'll be pretty boring.

  a few old bibles and photos of the witnessing work from way back when.. one things for sure is they won't include anything relating to constantly changing doctrines or have libraries full of old publications that have since been swept under the carpet..

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  They could open up a big section on "Why are you looking forward to 1975?"
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  GB Update - Meet the new GB members

  by eyeslice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i overheard my wife listening to '2023 governing body update #2, presented by kenneth cook jnr.

  a few points i got from it.. new hour requirements.

  quote "with the new hour requirements for pioneers, many us us can share in the pioneer work.

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  Ken addresses both guys by their first name, not even calling them by 'Brother'

  Poor Gage, he says that being a GB member wasn't the preferred assignment for either him or his wife.

  Now with Morris gone, there is not one GB member who has had children, a pretty sorry state of affairs given the serious abuse problem.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
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  His true colours became evident on this forum and not only was he all about self serving, he had a habit of leaving a destructive trail behind himself.

  In relative terms it didn't take long for Simon to ban him permanently but there was another forum that was oblivious to his schemes.

  Ex JW Reddit welcomed and supported the God like praise that LLoyd enjoyed for many years. It pay rolled his climb to ex JW fame (on that forum). But when moderators over there realised their complete bias and refused to play his game Lloyd hit back with his threat to resign after someone was not kind to him. No one really cared, his outburst was like that of a two year old and a lot of ex JWs started to see him in a different light. It was the beginning of a very slow and painful death for Lloyd until Kim Silvio came along and exposed Lloyd in such a way that no one could ignore and backed up by his own confirmations. It proved to be the perfect earthquake, swallowing up most of his support.

  Unfortunately, other than Lloyd himself, it was ex JW Reddit that has proven to be responsible for the support and praise that he received and ultimately led to many, not just hundreds, but thousands of ex JWs thinking he was someone worthy of their respect.

  I think Ex JW Reddit has learnt a huge lesson from this.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  It's commonly viewed as a secret society for a reason.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Hellothere -

  Could it be that he got a conscious and hade to get drunk before delivering talks. That he stepped down cause of guilt.

  Surely stepping down wouldn't be nearly enough. Any (True) guilt would move him to make a public apology to all those that taken his words to heart and obeyed them as is required by a JW.

  Ray Franz was able to write a book to express his sadness for some things he did whilst a GB member.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Surely this is another example that makes a nonsense of their claimed anointed arrangement.

  Supposedly they only have to remain faithful in order to retain their anointing However, if they lose Jehovah's favour, they are no longer anointed but once they regain it, they are anointed again.

  If Morris was drunk many times, surely he lost his favour but since it looks like he has been removed as a GB because he has been doing something, then again, it must go hand in hand that he has also lost Jehovah's favour.

  Since these dudes are supposed to know, beyond doubt, that they have the anointing, then they would also know that they have lost this anointing whilst they are sinning.

  This would mean that Morris was acting in the role of GB when he fully new he was not entitled to do so. Surely masquerading as an anointed before millions would be far more serious than the sin.