The Witnesses cannot separate general principles from extraneous details relevant to the culture of the time. I have a vagina and I am a full person. Many times I have addressed men. So far as I know, no man has died. No man has had anxiety attacks. JW men need to grow up and man up. How manly is it for a men to be threatened by such trivia?
DanaBug
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
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It's About Time Something Was Done.....
by Sam Whiskey inthe toughest anti-illegal-immigrant measure in a generation passed the arizona legislature this week.
if signed, as expected, by republican governor jan brewer, the law will give local police sweeping new powers in regard to undocumented workers.
currently, immigration offenses are violations of federal, not state, law, and local police officers only can inquire about a person's immigration status if that person is suspected of another crime.
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DanaBug
If you have given up on God's kingdom, then you have no hope for mankind and all is vanity and a striving after the wind.
This I also think is false. I have great hope for mankind, and it doesn't involve God in the least.
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It's About Time Something Was Done.....
by Sam Whiskey inthe toughest anti-illegal-immigrant measure in a generation passed the arizona legislature this week.
if signed, as expected, by republican governor jan brewer, the law will give local police sweeping new powers in regard to undocumented workers.
currently, immigration offenses are violations of federal, not state, law, and local police officers only can inquire about a person's immigration status if that person is suspected of another crime.
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DanaBug
Obsessing over false solutions will just frustrate you and distract you from real solutions.
But I see your solutions as false. I often wonder how much we could accomplish ourselves if less people were waiting on God's Kingdom to fix everything. We've already accomplished a lot without it. It's perspective.
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It's About Time Something Was Done.....
by Sam Whiskey inthe toughest anti-illegal-immigrant measure in a generation passed the arizona legislature this week.
if signed, as expected, by republican governor jan brewer, the law will give local police sweeping new powers in regard to undocumented workers.
currently, immigration offenses are violations of federal, not state, law, and local police officers only can inquire about a person's immigration status if that person is suspected of another crime.
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DanaBug
Because I grew up in a bible-based, legalistic environment and I see the same thing from conservatives and right-wingers. I hated it, black-and-white thinking is not a good way to govern anyone. That experience made me wary of anything that resembles it. My values are basically this: do unto others and stay out of people's personal decisions when they don't infringe on the rights of others. What appealed to me in that religion though was the idea of worldwide brotherhood, God accepting all people, and Jesus showing compassion for the ones who were thought of as the worst. I don't see that from right-wingers at all, and a lot of what I hear from them reminds me of the GB.
Maybe it's just that we think differently though. I'll have to dig it up, but I once read an article that explored that. You might like it too.
ETA It's Jonathan Haidt, ever read his stuff? Morals Authority
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Are the nations and their rulers at fault for not recognizing Jesus' invisible rulership?
by miseryloveselders inthis week's congregation bible study focuses on chapter 18 of the come be my follower book.
paragraph 8 was a real gem, as well as the comments from the audience when going over that paragraph.
i'll type paragraphs 8 and 9 for you to read along with the ensuing questions.. 8. jesus was granted still more autority in 1914. in that year he was appointed as king of jehovah's messianic kingdom.
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DanaBug
That's the problem with being invisible, you're easy to miss.
Their whole invisible presence teaching requires a lot of mental gymnastics, especially reading the relevant scriptures. In essence, Jesus has only returned halfway. They're still waiting for the visible part, there's still a cloud there. And yet, Jesus warned about going after those who said he was here and everyone paying attention would be well aware of his presence. Personally, I think if there was a time period that fit the signs of the end of times, it was the Dark Ages.
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It's About Time Something Was Done.....
by Sam Whiskey inthe toughest anti-illegal-immigrant measure in a generation passed the arizona legislature this week.
if signed, as expected, by republican governor jan brewer, the law will give local police sweeping new powers in regard to undocumented workers.
currently, immigration offenses are violations of federal, not state, law, and local police officers only can inquire about a person's immigration status if that person is suspected of another crime.
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DanaBug
Vidiot,
I find it hard to understand how any ew-JW can not be liberal. And yet they exist! But I also don't understand right-wingers or conservatives to begin with. Eh, to each their own.
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
No problem. Also, if I remember correctly, there was new book released for the TMS in '04, right before I got df'd so I never used it. I can't remember the name of it, so I can't find it in the library. I don't even know if they still use it. But there might be something in there about it.
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Local Elder advises Young woman to make up with abusive husband
by troubled mind injust never ceases to amaze me how things in the organization stay the same .
you would think by 2011 these guys could come up with something better than " makeup now ,you know jehovah hates a divorcing !
" ( but obviously he doesn't mind a woman being abused !
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DanaBug
It's all about appearances. A divorce is harder to hide than bruises. Just dug up some old articles on women, head coverings, and teaching. BLECH! So happy to be out. So glad I don't have to raise my daughter in that mysogynistic, lie-down-and-take-it bullshit!
Jamie, I'm sorry you went through that. It makes absolutely no sense to stay in an abusive marriage. People who advise that lack common sense and empathy. Another way they ruin lives and families.
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
Odd, I didn't find any reference to either of these scriptures in the OD book or to sisters teaching. I've never seen anything that explicitly says sisters have to face each other when participating in the school. I think that's just how it's done; well, how else would they do it? And sidenote, a sister can read on stage for the Watchtower study if no qualified brothers are attending.
Here's what I found:
*** w64 4/1 p. 208 par. 9 Her Head Covering and Congregational Activities ***
No head covering is required for sisters taking part in demonstrations, relating experiences, or when handling student talks as demonstrations at the congregation’s ministry school. In such cases the sisters are not presiding in the congregation. They are not trying to instruct the brothers or direct them in what they should do, and so, in not wearing a head covering, there is no violation of Scriptural principle. However, the sisters do greatly contribute to the upbuilding of all in the congregation. For that reason a sister should never underestimate the benefit of any part she may have in the program, either by giving an experience or sharing in a demonstration. (This article is beyond ridiculous, especially when you read all the way to par 19)
*** w61 6/1 p. 352 Questions From Readers ***
? Are sisters required to wear a head covering when giving the third and fourth student talks in the theocratic ministry school?—D. H., United States.No, it is not necessary for sisters to wear a head covering when giving these talks. They are not teaching dedicated males but only giving demonstrations of their own teaching ability for the purpose of being counseled. Since this is the purpose of their giving these talks and since the school is under male supervision, sisters are not required to wear a head covering. For similar reasons they would not be required to wear a head covering when taking part in service meeting demonstrations.
*** w73 4/15 p. 255 Questions From Readers ***
? Why are women allowed to speak up at the meetings of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses even though 1 Corinthians 14:34 says that “it is not permitted for them to speak”?—U.S.A.The application of the apostle Paul’s inspired command should be understood in the light of the context. When Paul wrote, the meetings of the congregation at Corinth, including those meetings where unbelievers were present, lacked order. More than one person at a time would be prophesying or speaking in a tongue. (1 Cor. 14:22-32) Evidently some women there would raise challenging questions and dispute with men appointed to teach the congregation. Thus these women were actually assuming the position of teachers and ignoring the position of headship assigned to the man.—1 Cor. 11:3.
Correcting the situation, Paul called attention to the fact that “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace.” (1 Cor. 14:33) Respecting women, he wrote: “Let the women keep silent in the congregations, for it is not permitted for them to speak, but let them be in subjection, even as the Law says. If, then, they want to learn something, let them question their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in a congregation.” (1 Cor. 14:34, 35) This admonition is in agreement with Paul’s later words in his first letter to Timothy: “Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.”—1 Tim. 2:11, 12.
Accordingly, the command for women not to speak applied whenever such speaking had the unwholesome effect of undermining the authority of the men in the congregation. That it did not rule out all speaking on the part of women is evident from 1 Corinthians 11:5: “Every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head.” However, it would have been disgraceful for women to raise challenging questions or to lift themselves up above the men assembled and begin instructing them. For them to do such things would also have brought reproach on their husbands.
In keeping with the apostolic pattern, women in the congregations of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses do not teach the congregation at public meetings. They do not exercise authority over men. Any speaking they do is under the direction of men appointed to oversee the meeting. Thus at no time does their speaking contradict the authority men exercise in the congregation.
And here's a real gem! (a little off topic)
*** w51 9/1 p. 543 Questions From Readers ***
? Is it necessary for a woman to cover her head when conducting a home Bible study? When such a covering is or is not required is causing much discussion in our company.—P. W., Ohio.After 10 paragraphs discussing it: Knowing now the principles involved, let us show Christian maturity and apply these for ourselves, conscientiously, and not have to ask others on every imaginable situation. The Society would soon be compiling a set of regulations as voluminous as the Talmud if it endeavored to prescribe specific rules for all the varying cases. In fallen man under Satan’s influence there is always the tendency to substitute rules for principles. It is so much easier to conform the conduct to a rule than to make a principle inform the whole life. Moses prescribed rules; Christ inculcated principles. Rules are for children; principles for men and women mature in Christian growth. So now show maturity in applying the principles herein given regarding head-covering, making your decisions conscientiously, and you will not properly be criticized by others.
Guess things change in 60 years!
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Women can't face the audience from platform? Is this in writing?
by InterestedOne ini just read the thread about women & men waking up etc.
and saw a post saying women can't face the audience from the platform.
i thought, hmm yeah, now that i think about it, they're always looking sideways, like toward the other woman in the role-playing, or if they're being interviewed, they look toward the guy at the podium.
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DanaBug
IO, women not teaching is from 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Cor. 14:34,35. Of course, they ignore Priscilla, Phoebe, Debra, etc. I don't remember seeing anything in print about why demonstrations don't qualify as teaching though.