Are the nations and their rulers at fault for not recognizing Jesus' invisible rulership?

by miseryloveselders 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    This week's Congregation Bible Study focuses on chapter 18 of the Come Be My Follower book. Paragraph 8 was a real gem, as well as the comments from the audience when going over that paragraph. I'll type paragraphs 8 and 9 for you to read along with the ensuing questions.

    8. Jesus was granted still more autority in 1914. In that year he was appointed as King of Jehovah's Messianic Kingdom. When Jesus' rule began, "war broke out in heaven." The result? Satan and his demons were hurled to the earth, triggering an era of woe. The rampant wars, crime, terror, disease, earthquakes, and famines that have afflicted modern man remind us that Jesus is ruling in heaven right now. Satan is still "the ruler of this world" for "a short period of time" (Revelation 12:7-12; John 12:31; Matthew 24:3-7; Luke 21:11) However, Jesus is giving people worldwide the oppurtunity to accept His rulership.

    9. It is vital that we take our stand on the side of the Messianic King. In all our daily decisions, we must seek his approval, not that of this corrupt world. As this "King of kings, and Lord of lords" surveys mankind, his righteous heart blazes with anger and overflows with joy. (Revelation 19:16) Why?

    Q 8, 9. What authority was Jesus granted in 1914, and what should that mean for us in the decisions we make?

    One of those comments made after the question was read, was along the lines of the rulers bearing responsibility for not recognizing Jesus' authority as king, and that they would be punished and removed as a result. A couple other comments were in harmony with this line of reasoning. For me, it was an eyebrow raising moment. I looked around at the rest of the audience, and I saw some people nodding their heads in silent yet visible agreement with this part of the lesson. This kind of thinking amongst JWs is nothing new, as Rutherford announced that the nations had been given notice of Jesus' rulership via the WT's conventions. In his view and other JWs as well, the nations were at fault for not recognizing what was said at those conventions, as if anybody in powerful places were even aware of those conventions.

    I'm thinking to myself, so Jesus is ruling invisibly and hasn't exactly gone out of his way to announce his rulership.......but the nations are at fault for not recognizing this? That doesn't make any sense. When you look at what's happening in the Middle East, with the unrest, those situations are examples of people recognizing who their authorities are, only too well. Not only do they recognize their authorities, they're rebelling against them. As a result, the authorities in those countries have taken immediate measures to punish, provide stability, or ensure the survival of their own lives, wealth, and regimes.

    According to paragraph 8, wars, crime, terror, disease, earthquakes, and famines remind us that Jesus is ruling in heaven right now. Satan is currently ruling this world, but only for a short period of time. Now wait a minute, just hold on a second. So the nations are at fault for being unaware that Satan is controlling them, and also being unaware that Jesus is ruling the heavens invisibly? How can it be said that the nations are rebelling against Jesus' rulership when they're not even aware that he's ruling? On top of that he's currently ruling the heavens only, according to these paragraphs.

    I don't know man...... I swear the WT has created a culture amongst JWs that promotes them recognizing themselves as giants, the only problem with that is, its only in their minds, and in their own controlled enviroment. As has been mentioned in other threads, most people have not the foggiest idea what the WT teaches, and what JWs actually believe. Only the peculiarities of JWs such as what they don't celebrate. Plenty of JWs aren't even thoroughly keen on current or past WT doctrine. Yet, the nations and their leaders are at fault for not recognizing Jesus' invisible rulership? They're also at fault for not recognizing Jehovah's chosen mouthpiece, the WT? Legends in their own mind.

  • oompa
    oompa

    double ditto!!...........oomps

  • DanaBug
    DanaBug

    That's the problem with being invisible, you're easy to miss.

    Their whole invisible presence teaching requires a lot of mental gymnastics, especially reading the relevant scriptures. In essence, Jesus has only returned halfway. They're still waiting for the visible part, there's still a cloud there. And yet, Jesus warned about going after those who said he was here and everyone paying attention would be well aware of his presence. Personally, I think if there was a time period that fit the signs of the end of times, it was the Dark Ages.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    You're missing the point MLE, they DO know, because of the worldwide preaching activity (Matt 24:14).

    They are at fault for not listening to the brain dead droid knocking on their door on a Saturday morning. What other evidence of Christ's invisible rulership do they need?

  • sir82
    sir82

    I know, it's so frustrating.

    I am the invisible leader of the world of pink unicorns, and they have yet to even so much as throw me a parade.

    It's like they can't even see me!

    Wait....

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    8. Jesus was granted still more autority in 1914. In that year he was appointed as King of Jehovah's Messianic Kingdom. When Jesus' rule began, "war broke out in heaven." The result? Satan and his demons were hurled to the earth, triggering an era of woe.

    This just typical self assertive propaganda by this disingenuous publishing company

    How did the WTS. come to the year 1914 ?

    - first it was calculated by using the enormously illegitimate ideology known as Pyramidology

    - when that came fruitfully invalid they made up another calculation by multiplying 7 years and times, again unscripturally based

    and directly against Jesus's own words that that no one will know the time of his return, not even his chosen FSDSL.

    - they even went as far as to say the first world war was a sign of his return, a pretentious exploitation to validate themselves.

    - of course they didn't mention that there were plenty of wars prior to 1914, throughout the earth

    The WTS publishing company has explotated world events to self valdate themselves as a temperant support for their published

    literature that they produce. These calculating deceiving lies are obvious to some but regrettably culling and attractive to others.

    The most important fact to remember is this is a publishing house, which survives and operates on gathering money from believing souls.

    The WTS. has established a marketing structure that is knowingly confident that it can and will keep support from unassuming culled followers

    continually. They have structured this support by using both mental and emotional tactics of indoctrination creating a master slave arrangement,

    cumulating in the exploitation of people who've they've willfully self indoctrinated to their power and control.

    So you can see the corruption but you can also see the accumulative results of that corruption.

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    Cantleave is right they do know! I have on good authority (my crazy M.I.L.) that Obama has the gods will book (or some bullshit of their's) so obviously he has decide to remain in strong opposition to christ invisible reign similar to pharoh of moses' day.

    Its only a matter of time before man will bring man to his ruin (or they declare peace and security) and than jah will allow his son to finally make his presense know (all praise due to allah and J.C. Penny X-mas catologues.)

  • jay88
    jay88

    MLE-Legends in their own mind.

    Like an 'American Idol" candidate, who swear up and down that they are the next "American Idol".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHuTFRjec1Y&feature=related

    I think there should be an "American Idol" for religions. I wonder what it should be named and who the judges should be?

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    Can you imagine what would happen if every human suddenly submitted to this "invisible presence" tomorrow? Governments and their institutions would be suddenly disbanded leaving nothing to maintain some sense of order. No more power, health care, clean water, infrastructure, etc.

    The chaos would make the JW version of armageddon a joke. If Jesus wants to take over, showing up might be a good start.

    W

  • Ding
    Ding

    The WTS ought to cut other groups a little slack.

    After all, they thought Jesus was invisibly present from 1874-1914 and now admit that they were wrong!

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