Posts by DanaBug

He also argues that John 17 says I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Since Christians aren't one, does this disproove that God sent Jesus? And it's not just the different sects, it's the different beliefs about Jesus (God, God's son), God (trinity, one true God) taken from the Bible.

Personally, I think all religions are just different paths up the same mountain, the view's the same when you get to the top.

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The Blues Music Thread ! Post Favorite Blues Artist Here ! U-Tubes Welcome

by flipper in

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my wife & i really love the blues.

i'll start out with one from stevie ray .

so lets have fun , post us all some blues people !

DanaBug

Did someone say blues?? This man gets me everytime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1FK620bS7A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pOl8MlVveA

And the king of slide guitar, imo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8GwPuKL0e0

This one's off of vinyl! Mm mm!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAa-lCowVMY

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Random thoughts about Garden of Eden and Big Bang theory

by ballistic in

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i was reading about the garden of eden as follows.... knowledge and eternal life separate the gods from humanity.

the garden of eden story indicates that divinity consists of two primary elements: knowledge and immortality.

through an act of disobedience, human beings acquired the former, but they could not be allowed to attain the latter, lest they become like god.

DanaBug

Why was knowledge or wisdom forbidden in the first place?

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(For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

is such a thing possible?

DanaBug

Well, that's where we disagree. Let's just agree to disagree. I just can't wrap my mind around that idea.

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(For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

is such a thing possible?

DanaBug

In either case, should he be held accountable by the Judeo-Christian god for his perspective (and actions or lack of action) since he has been immersed in Islamic culture/environment his entire life?

The answer is YES. He is already condemned.

Romans 9:10

I also find it fascinating that Christians believe some are condemned by God before they are born.

What makes you think it's just "some" who are condemned?

What's amazing, is that God chooses to save some before He created the world.

Yes, we're all condemned from birth, right? Born in sin. I take issue with the idea that the Christian God would condemn a person who was raised in a different faith, truly believed it was right, never was able to see Christianity as true or had no contact with Christianity and thus no opportunity to convert. And the idea that Christians were chosen to be saved by God. Well according to your beliefs yes. But it's still just a matter of where you were born and what you came into contact with during your life, something an individual has little control over. If God has that control, he'd make Christianity so obviously right to everyone there would be no denying it, that would only be just. But maybe I'm overlooking something here.

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(For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.

suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?

is such a thing possible?

DanaBug

With respect, these Muslims are talking about smuggling four pounds of Anthrax into the US and spreading it like confetti over the White House lawn to kill 330, 000 American in a single hour in the name of Allah, the god of the Qur'an. What similar terror plots do you hold born again Christians to?

I don't know if they're born again but: Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, the Army of God, the Hutaree, and previously the KKK (they're not much of a threat anymore), etc. Around the world, Russia, Northern Ireland, Uganda, Romania all have problems with Christian terrorists.

We definitely have a problem with the Middle East. I don't dispute that. But assuming that Islam is a religion of terrorism, when many of our fellow Americans practice that religion, love it dearly and love this country too, is just wrong. Muslims in the middle east make up less than 20% of muslims around the world, it's just not fair to judge the whole religion based on those. Just as it wouldn't be fair to judge all christians based on the Christians in Africa who are beating and killing children accused of being witches. There are extremists in all religions. Any holy text can be twisted to justify horrendous acts. Terrorism has no religion and is indiscriminate in its attacks.

Dispatches: Return to Africa's Witch Children (1 of 5)

I also find it fascinating that Christians believe some are condemned by God before they are born. That's insane to me. Because they didn't have the fortune to be born in a Christian nation?? Where's the mercy and love in that?

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Do you feel sorry for the family members who shun you?

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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as each instance of shunning happens to me, it seems even more ridiculous than the last.. this weekend i took our kids to the park - wife opted out, understandably - and we let our daughter call my parents to inform them we'd be there.

this was my first time in the presence of my parents since our df announcement two weeks ago.. my mom and dad were 10-20 feet away much of the time and yet they never said a greeting or.. well anything.

at one point my daughter, who is aware of the shunning, mistakenly thought my mom called my name and shouted excitedly, "mawmaw, were you talking to daddy??

DanaBug

You will never know the pain of shunning you children, because you are able to love them freely

This is the big reason I won't go back. My daughter will never doubt my love for her. She will never know that pain.

I do feel sorry for my family. I understand why they do it. They think they're doing the right thing. What hurts is that I can't open their eyes to the real truth, that it isn't the right thing to do. But it's their choice, I don't shun them. They're missing out on so much. Funny thing is, out of my parents, my fiance's mom dad and stepdad, my fiance's dad who lives the farthest away is the one that sees my daughter the most. He makes the effort to see her, he's at every special occasion, holidays, birthdays, trips to the zoo. And he's an atheist.

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Are some of you scared?

by BlackTwisted in

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are some of you scared that armageddon may be coming anytime?

lol.

just the thought and the picture in your head that anybody can get killed....>.<.

DanaBug

JW's have a very pessimistic view of now. They fear the whole world, everything in it is controlled by Satan. So how do you cope living in a world like that? You look forward to the future, when the world's done away with and everything's perfect. But the world's not like that. People are generally good and want the same things any of us do. And think of the amazing things we've accomplished in the last century. I just can't look at the world and think it's evil and hope for it's imminent destruction anymore. And I have trouble believing a loving God would do that either.