Posts by DanaBug

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

DanaBug

They do not necessarily accurately represent the species evolutionary history.The data on which they are based is noisy; the analysis can be confounded by horizontal gene transfer, hybridisation between species that were not nearest neighbors on the tree before hybridisation takes place, convergent evolution, and conserved sequences.

But do you understand how that doesn't disprove it? And there's also the mountains of evidence outside of mitochondrial DNA for the age of humans being a lot longer than 6000 years. Seriously, look into it. It's fascinating stuff. Nat Geo did a documentary on it and they have a website about it too.

But anyways, I'm off to bed. Have fun ignoring stuff! You never did get back to me on that other thread, that list of signs of a dangerous group. Maybe I'll bump it tomorrow.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

DanaBug

Spade,

Try allocating some radiocarbon dating for this civilization that indicates it spans more than 6000 years of human history.

Human ancestry studied through mitochondrial dna. Look it up. There's a lot more evidence than just those two things. Ignore mountains of evidence all you want, but don't be surprised when no one wants to debate you about it. It doesn't mean you're right, it means it's a waste of our time.

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There's A Ghost At My Place Of Employment

by finallysomepride in

ok some of you will laugh at this, but it's true, there is a spirit that haunts the premises where i work.. it has spoken to me once when i was locking up, it was 1 single word "hello", i looked around and saw nothing, i ignored it, set the alarm locked the door & went home.

other times i have felt something brush passed me as i have entered the building early in the morning.

the experience that got to me most happened the other nite when i was called back to the store by security, as i pulled into the drive way there was a man standing at the rear of the building, in the split second of looking away he dissapeared, there's no way that he could have run off the property in that split second.. what do you think?.

DanaBug

I'm thinking a gas leak and some kind of magnetic force ala "Lost".

Do tell, SBC!

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Cleric Plans WH Protest

by Bangalore in

cleric plans wh protest.. http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/02/22/interview-muslim-cleric-in-favor-of-sharia-law-plans-wh-protest/.

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bangalore.

DanaBug

Of course Americans will tell him to go to hell; that's why this is not a problem at all, just fear-mongering. Sharia law will not affect us, unless congress and the white house all suddenly converted to Islam and changed our government to a theocracy.

Perfect example from that page:

Papajoe, do you have the slightest concept what is destructive and evil about Sharia Law? It is the imposition of religious values by means of government force. Apparently, your only problem with this monstrosity is that the values are Islamic instead of Christian. I, for one, want to live in a free society, where my attitudes and actions require the consent of neither Muslim clerics nor Midwestern soccer moms.

Markalanpeter- Can any person, in today’s world ever live in a free society? You seem to infer that any religion is problematic to your goal of happiness. I submit that until one conforms to do God’s will one can never be truly happy. The problem, as I see it, is that very few individuals acknowledge we are creatures of a loving God and NEED a spiritual connection to Him. If every person on earth followed only two basic principles, given us by Jesus, we could end all problems worldwide. One, Love Jehovah God with all your heart, mind and soul. And two, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Basic, simple and universal; but surprisingly unpopular. In the words of John Lennon “Imagine all the people….”

Sounds very similar to that cleric. Simple answer, if you're afraid of Sharia support the seperation of church and state.

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Cleric Plans WH Protest

by Bangalore in

cleric plans wh protest.. http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/02/22/interview-muslim-cleric-in-favor-of-sharia-law-plans-wh-protest/.

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bangalore.

DanaBug

Interesting. He says the problem with our country is we've gone "away from the divine law and are making the law up according to their own whims and desires". Sound familiar? (School shootings started happening after they took God and prayers out of school, it's time to take our country back to God) They also fail to define Sharia law and say muslims here don't agree with it. Wrong. Sharia law has different interpretations by different clerics because it's based on the Q'uran which is also interpreted differently (that's where the different kinds of Islam come from), what's practiced in Saudi Arabia is not the Sharia that Muslim Americans practice. The cleric even says many of those countries don't practice Sharia. And Muslims already practice Sharia here and it's already held up by our courts. It encompasses how they invest, what foods they eat, how they divorce, funeral arrangements, etc. Know why that's not a problem for us? Because it only applies to Muslims and our constitution guarantees everyone the right to not be bound by religious law. Just as Jewish law only applies to Jews. Sharia does not mean terrorist, and it's really misleading for her to insinuate that.

So Fox news fails again by leaving out relevant information. It's almost amusing that people are so scared of words like sharia and jihad without bothering to find out what they actually mean to the people who practice it. It's a bit like a non-Christian looking at how JWs let their children die and tear apart families or how the WBC pickets funerals and concluding all Christians do that.

Understand that I don't defend anything that happens in the name of religion in the Middle East. We should all be disgusted by it. But I don't agree with fear-mongering through misinformation. It helps no one and harms Americans.

Oth, we should be worried about the Middle East. I don't think they're going to stand for our continued involvement over there much longer, doesn't bode well for our economy. And we should also be worried anytime someone suggests making a religious belief a law, Christian or Muslim. Seperation of church and state is a beautiful thing; Christian extremists in our own country are doing their best to tear that down. That's actually more a threat to us than Sharia.

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Google Bodybrowser - Check it out!

by freetosee in

jw
friends

http://bodybrowser.googlelabs.com/index.html.

google body is a detailed 3d model of the human body.

you can peel back anatomical layers,.

DanaBug

Cool! Thanks for sharing. Passing on to my anatomy instructor, she'll get a kick out of this.

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I'm a new study, need advice.

by Resistance is Futile in

jw
friends

a little background on me, i have never been a jw.

my spouse was born and raised in the cult, disfellowshipped as a young adult and is now completely shunned by family still trapped inside.

before i met my spouse i knew very little about the jws.

DanaBug

Welcome, Resistance!

If the situation were reversed and I was the one who had been raised in a high control doomsday group, I would want someone to try and gently show me that there is real freedom beyond the imaginary walls the cult has created and dubbed as “spiritual protection”.

Keep in mind though, not everyone wants that. Some people actually want this kind of religion, they need the structure and to be told what to do. Not to discourage you, as I would do the same thing in your situation. Loosing your religion is scary and really painful. You can plant seeds, but it's up to the individual to wake up. They have to do it. The whole leading a horse to water thing. It's just something to keep in mind and helps a lot with the frustration. You're in a great situation to help someone get out if they want it. What diamondiiz said, that's the key to everything they teach--everything hangs on they're being selected by Jesus. There's lots of info on here for almost anything that comes up in your study. Also check out jwfacts.com and freeminds.org. Glad you found us!

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Don't you DARE to get up!!

by stillin9 in

interesting points from this week's wt study (dec 15 2010 study edition):.

par 12: "do i encourage my children not to view the song between the theocratic ministry school and the service meeting or the one between the public talk and the watchtower study as a sort of intermission,an opportunity for them to leave their seats unnecessarily, perhaps just to stretch their legs?".

why do they have to make such a big deal out of everything?

DanaBug

if you were thrown into prison, how many of our Kingdom songs would you be able to sing from memory?

That's a bit odd. The people writing this sh*t should have to care for 3-12 year old children during all meetings for at least a month.

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its my bday n still cant celebrate it.... n i cant post from my phone sorry

by cyberjesus in

DanaBug

Lol@FHN!

Happy birthday, cj!

Just go have fun! And don't forget to tell people it's your birthday. Makes it more fun. Free->

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New member - my story

by Millions in

just a brief introduction, i thought i would try out one of the more established forums, have done some stuff on youtube and other places but thought i would give this a try.. potted history: raised jw by mother, in it for 30 years or so, baptised at age 18, regular pioneer at 20, ms a couple years later, mts at 26 and got assignment to a new cong, elder at around 29, came off pioneering around 31, came off as elder around 32, started to slowly wind down, completely stopped attending about 3 years ago, disassociated dec 2010. pause for breath.. the last 5 years or so have been a painfully gradual process of deconstructing myself and then piecing together fragments of my shattered life that are still valid outside the organisation.

the question 'who am i?

' has been a continual investigation; every day for the first couple of years i would realise another subject or issue that i didn't have my own opinions about.

DanaBug

Welcome, Millions! Thank you so much for sharing your story.

The question 'Who am I?' has been a continual investigation; every day for the first couple of years I would realise another subject or issue that I didn't have my own opinions about. Building an identity for 30 years, then - upon discovering its many flaws - purposefully, intentionally, smashing it to dust, is a difficult experience; rebuilding yourself is simultaneously far harder, and far more rewarding.

This is what I'm still doing, smashing everything. I've been df'd for 6 years, but only woke up last April. You sound like you've figured out a lot since then; which gives me hope that it will get better. I want to be like you when I grow up! Lol! I look forward to hearing more of your story.