I'm leaning toward what curiousconfused has said. Cheap knows no ideological demography. I made reference to the boys' weekend away earlier in this thread. On one such outing there was one fellow in the group who went back into the restaurant just after we'd left saying he'd left his glasses on the table. He was caught stealing the tips from the table. Nothing to do with his religious beliefs (he didn't have any) but everything to do with him being a cheap son-of-a-bitch. We never invited him back.
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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?
by Alfred in(a little background info before i ask my question...).
my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!
she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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Sounds a little bit like rationalisation, Curtains. Almost like one justifying what happened under his watch by saying he was just doing what was expected of him. You were part of the machine, so you are responsible. However, I take it that your present networking is part of a different machine, one whose objective is the opposite of the other. Just being a member of this board and exposing what you know about the WTBTS has got to be a benefit to those who are searching.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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The ones that justify the means. Do they exist?
The "ends" are the consequences of being baptized into the Watchtower. The "means" is proselytizing. If you believe the ends are negative, there is no justification for the means.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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LongHairGal, looking from the outside in, you've done everything you can to correct your mistake. If I was you I'd sleep peacefully.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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No buts, mrsjones. Those who are out can make amends by helping others escape. There is no redemption for those who are still in and luring others into something they no longer believe in.
What ends are you referring to, sab?
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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?
by Alfred in(a little background info before i ask my question...).
my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!
she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).
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Which all goes to show, DagothUr, that the real correlation between tipping and non-tipping is the income of the patron, not the patron's religious philosophy. Not a whole lot of Jehovah's Witnesses are well off. Yes, that's a particular feature of a religion that espouses what it does, but it's the money in the pocket that determines the dynamic, not the nonsense in the head.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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There is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Take heed.
How many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?
Former Witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the Watchtower. How do you sleep at night, thinking about all those people you personally brought in? Do you maintain some sort of metal ledger balancing off your debt/guilt with people you have personally helped to escape? Or do you just quietly live with it and try to forget?
Still others, astonishingly, express shame because they are still going door to door and they justify their hypocrisy against their fear of being outed and shunned, losing everything. There's another word for this. It's selfishness. It's putting your needs above the welfare of others. Whether you are simply callous or cowardly, the result is the same. How do you qualify your intentions?
There are two kinds of hell, the one that's real and the one that isn't. The one that's real is in your mind. It eats away at you when you are all alone with your thoughts, like when you're lying awake in bed at three in the morning and everything is quiet except the voice in your head. The one that's real fills the last years of your life with anxiety and remorse while what you have done plays over and over in your mind and you can't make it stop.
Good intentions justify nothing. If you are responsible for doing harm, you are still responsible.
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Mixed marriages - JW/non-JW - what makes you stay?
by Nickolas ini know a woman, became a wife .
these are the very words she uses to describe her life .
she said a good day, ain't got no rain .
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I do understand why you feel the way you do, wifeofjw. If my marriage wasn't as strong as it is in other areas it would have been over a long time ago.
I see by your join date that you're a longtime veteran of the board but you have made very few posts, so I'm assuming that you've done a fair bit of lurking - maybe looking for ways to cope? Your posts over the past five years share a common theme, and that is getting your spouse out, and the dominant emotion you're indicating is frustration. I understand all that, too.
I wish you all the best. Maybe your wakeup call last night will get through.
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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?
by Alfred in(a little background info before i ask my question...).
my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!
she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).
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If we get Americans though, I find that they tend to tip less - or in coin (or a couple dollar bills), thinking that their coins are so much more valuable than Canadian currency ;)
I remember overhearing a waitress in a Florida restaurant telling a joke to the folks in the next booth, Tammy. She said something like, "Yeah, we get a lot of Canadian snowbirds in here. Hey, what's the difference between a Canadian and a canoe? Don't know? A canoe tips." Cheap comes in all shapes, sizes, nationalities and religious denominations.
I don't agree with the sentiment about customers not paying the wages of restaurant workers with their tips. Customers are already paying the wages of restaurant servers as part of the bill, it's just that servers base pay is not all that high as a practical rule. If they are paid higher wages two things happen. One, the price of the meal goes up and the restaurant will not be as competitive as the place down the road that pays its servers minimum wage. Two, the quality of the service goes down because there is no incentive on the part of the server to make the extra effort to please the customer, and that will also affect the bottom line of the restaurant when people don't come back. I consider tips as sort of "pay for performance". If you as a server do a good job, I'll give you 15%. If you do a great job, I'll bump that up to 20%. If you do a poor job, you'll get 10% to nothing and if you do a really lousey job I'll be sure to fill in the comment card.
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Mixed marriages - JW/non-JW - what makes you stay?
by Nickolas ini know a woman, became a wife .
these are the very words she uses to describe her life .
she said a good day, ain't got no rain .
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Day following my OP. I've been reflecting on what you said OTWO. I too have a great relationship with my wife, on all fronts other than those negatively impacted by the Watchtower. Let's call it a 9/10. I still want the remaining 1/10 for the two of us, but it's not worth giving up what we have if I don't get it.
thanks for letting me vent. No doubt I will again at some point.