Yeah. Cognitive dissonance. One of my many JWN learnings.
Good night.
Nickolas
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Mixed marriages - JW/non-JW - what makes you stay?
by Nickolas ini know a woman, became a wife .
these are the very words she uses to describe her life .
she said a good day, ain't got no rain .
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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?
by Alfred in(a little background info before i ask my question...).
my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!
she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).
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I am against tipping. I think the restaurant should charge me for food and service. I should decide to go back or not to the restaurant if I like the food and service... The restaurant should pay their employees.. IF the employees dont make enough money then they should get a different job.
Perhaps. Have you ever heard of a car dealership that doesn't allow haggling? I know of a couple that tried, and their business dried up. You're right that it's cultural. People expect to be able to haggle at a car dealership and people expect to have a say in how well a restaurant server is compensated depending on how well they're treated. That's the way it is. Servers get minimum wage and if they want more they'd better do a good job. Not believing in tipping is irrelevant. It's getting a free ride on the backs of the minimum wage restaurant servers.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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He`s living in Hell to be with his family..
which, I suppose, goes directly to the OP. Hell of a price to pay.
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Mixed marriages - JW/non-JW - what makes you stay?
by Nickolas ini know a woman, became a wife .
these are the very words she uses to describe her life .
she said a good day, ain't got no rain .
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Nickolas
I see it this way if asking for the divorce wakes him up than I did the right thing...if it does not wake him up than I did the right thing.
Win/win for you, win/lose for him. I hope however it works out that your new life is a happier one. Sad what this religion does to people.
All the best.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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I like your solution, PublishingCult. If this is what you are actually doing, you are anti-proselytizing. This is a cut and paste from a thread I started a few months ago. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/203114/1/Shackled-to-the-Watchtower-A-distinction-every-Jehovahs-Witness-should-acknowledge
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You got that right mr. Nick. That is way we don't put any effort to sucker in any new slaves for the two faced Monsters.
This is a stunning comment. It at least implies that the Watchtower has anti-salesmen going door to door as a direct consequence of their disfellowshipping policy.
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This kind of activity contributes to the internal rot of the WTBTS, and I endorse and applaud it. It's subversive and it is courageous. If you are still in and waiting for the opportune moment to get out, you could do no better than this. Aside from the appearance of solidarity and devotion you are projecting to the unknowing bystander watching you go door to door, you might even be doing the world a greater service by staying in. Probably are. The door you visit and close on the Watchtower is one less vulnerable.
I agree with your point, OUTLAW. Cutting those who didn't know any better some slack, certainly if they've paid the price by leaving. Those who have left and contribute to the education of visitors to this board and others are directly making amends, because they are undermining the Watchtower, too. I'm less inclined to cut slack to those who carry on in earnest to put in appearances. I realise it's not easy to leave, but why compromise your personal integrity when you know one day you will pay the piper, even if the piper is your own conscience?
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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My perspective is you don't need faith to be a good person or to lead a happy life, and where there is no need to compromise oneself to achieve those things one simply shouldn't. If the compromise one must make extends to compromising the lives of others, then a line has clearly been crossed. That is precisely what has changed me from being tolerant toward the Watchtower to being intolerant. It should not matter to anyone what someone else holds to be true, so long as that person does no harm. It matters not to me if you are a Muslim, but it will matter to me if you promote jihad. It matters not to me if you are a Jehovah's Witness, but it will matter to me if your faith insinuates itself into my life or the life of my family and diminishes it, just as much as you might object if the thing I represent or espouse impacts those you love. You will rather I just not be in the picture.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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Nickolas
Are Jehovah's Witnesses worse than Army recruiters? Interesting parallel. I think the answer, mle, is circumstantial. There is a place for the use of military might - I think the current effort to oust Gadhafi might qualify, although the jury's still out. Certainly bringing down the Nazis did (with our without headphones). The answer, I think, is no, but it's not a question of what's worse, it's a question of what's bad.
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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?
by Alfred in(a little background info before i ask my question...).
my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!
she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).
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I'm leaning toward what curiousconfused has said. Cheap knows no ideological demography. I made reference to the boys' weekend away earlier in this thread. On one such outing there was one fellow in the group who went back into the restaurant just after we'd left saying he'd left his glasses on the table. He was caught stealing the tips from the table. Nothing to do with his religious beliefs (he didn't have any) but everything to do with him being a cheap son-of-a-bitch. We never invited him back.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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Sounds a little bit like rationalisation, Curtains. Almost like one justifying what happened under his watch by saying he was just doing what was expected of him. You were part of the machine, so you are responsible. However, I take it that your present networking is part of a different machine, one whose objective is the opposite of the other. Just being a member of this board and exposing what you know about the WTBTS has got to be a benefit to those who are searching.
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The Watchtower Proselytizer's road to hell
by Nickolas inthere is an old proverb that says the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
take heed.. how many people have you harmed in your life, even when you didn't intend to?.
former witnesses on this board have expressed regret and shame for having gone door to door luring people into the watchtower.
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The ones that justify the means. Do they exist?
The "ends" are the consequences of being baptized into the Watchtower. The "means" is proselytizing. If you believe the ends are negative, there is no justification for the means.
