Sounds great, Snoozy. There's hope yet.
Nickolas
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Just feeling a little down in the dumps tonight...
by garyneal in...though i guess the reasons why are silly.
in a sense, but it makes me wonder on what's to come in the future.. i hate it this time of the year with a wife in the cult who's been taught not to celebrate christmas.
my company is having a holiday party and she agreed to go to one but because we were also bought out and some of us are leaving and moving on, someone decided to have another one with just the employees of our company alone.. i wanted to go to that one too, but i did not want to go alone.
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Does the WTS state that Dinosaurs were vegetarian?
by God_Delusion inhowdy,.
i recently watched the jurassic park trilogy (give the third one a miss if you haven't watched it) and memories of an awake!
or watchtower magazine of dinosaurs being vegetarian flashed before my eyes.
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Nickolas
Oh shit, mythbuster, but that *is* funny.
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1975, generation change and New Light - the WTBTS position
by Nickolas inthe words below are taken from the latest version of the watchtower bible and tract society's history book.
it is a response i have received from a jehovah's witness to my questions about how the watchtower bible and tract society represented the year 1975 and recent changes in generation teaching.
beyond saying there are some interesting insights into the society's position on new light, i will withhold comment until i get some feedback from the board.. the bible itself says: do not interpretations belong to god?
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Nickolas
Beautiful, logical thinking, unshackled. Thank you.
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Just feeling a little down in the dumps tonight...
by garyneal in...though i guess the reasons why are silly.
in a sense, but it makes me wonder on what's to come in the future.. i hate it this time of the year with a wife in the cult who's been taught not to celebrate christmas.
my company is having a holiday party and she agreed to go to one but because we were also bought out and some of us are leaving and moving on, someone decided to have another one with just the employees of our company alone.. i wanted to go to that one too, but i did not want to go alone.
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Nickolas
I used to just say my wife is a JW, and left it at that.
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1975, generation change and New Light - the WTBTS position
by Nickolas inthe words below are taken from the latest version of the watchtower bible and tract society's history book.
it is a response i have received from a jehovah's witness to my questions about how the watchtower bible and tract society represented the year 1975 and recent changes in generation teaching.
beyond saying there are some interesting insights into the society's position on new light, i will withhold comment until i get some feedback from the board.. the bible itself says: do not interpretations belong to god?
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Nickolas
Incredible, isn't it?
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Just feeling a little down in the dumps tonight...
by garyneal in...though i guess the reasons why are silly.
in a sense, but it makes me wonder on what's to come in the future.. i hate it this time of the year with a wife in the cult who's been taught not to celebrate christmas.
my company is having a holiday party and she agreed to go to one but because we were also bought out and some of us are leaving and moving on, someone decided to have another one with just the employees of our company alone.. i wanted to go to that one too, but i did not want to go alone.
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Nickolas
I hear you loud and clear, garyneal. Imagine being an operating executive of a large, multinational company whose division had an employees' Christmas dinner party every year. Imagine 300 celebrating couples watching the boss (me) being MC, giving the annual warm, funny, seasonal speech and everyone wondering "Where's his wife?" Boy do I hear you.
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1975, generation change and New Light - the WTBTS position
by Nickolas inthe words below are taken from the latest version of the watchtower bible and tract society's history book.
it is a response i have received from a jehovah's witness to my questions about how the watchtower bible and tract society represented the year 1975 and recent changes in generation teaching.
beyond saying there are some interesting insights into the society's position on new light, i will withhold comment until i get some feedback from the board.. the bible itself says: do not interpretations belong to god?
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Nickolas
The words below are taken from the latest version of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's history book. It is a response I have received from a Jehovah's Witness to my questions about how the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society represented the year 1975 and recent changes in generation teaching. Beyond saying there are some interesting insights into the Society's position on New Light, I will withhold comment until I get some feedback from the board.
The Bible itself says: “Do not interpretations belong to God?” (Gen. 40:8) If in their study of the Scriptures a certain passage is difficult to understand, they must search to find other inspired passages that shed light on the subject. Thus they let the Bible interpret itself, and from this they endeavor to understand “the pattern” of truth set forth in God’s Word. (2 Tim. 1:13) Jehovah leads or guides them to such understanding by means of his holy spirit. But to get the guidance of that spirit, they must cultivate its fruitage, not grieve or work against it, and keep responsive to its proddings. (Gal. 5:22, 23, 25; Eph. 4:30) Moreover, by zealously applying what they learn, they keep building up their faith, as a basis for gaining clearer and clearer understanding of how they must do God’s will in the world of which they are no part.—Luke 17:5; Phil. 1:9, 10.
Jehovah has always led his people to clearer understanding of his will. (Ps. 43:3) Just how he has guided them may be illustrated this way: If a person has been in a dark room for a long period of time, is it not best if he is exposed to light gradually? Jehovah has exposed his people to the light of truth in a similar manner; he has enlightened them progressively. (Compare John 16:12, 13.) It has been as the proverb says: “The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.”—Prov. 4:18.
Jehovah’s dealings with his chosen servants in Bible times confirm that clear understanding of his will and purposes often comes gradually. Thus, Abraham did not fully understand how Jehovah’s purpose in connection with the “seed” would work out. (Gen. 12:1-3, 7; 15:2-4; compare Hebrews 11:8.) Daniel did not grasp the final outcome of the prophecies he recorded. (Dan. 12:8, 9) Jesus, when on earth, admitted that he did not know the day and hour that the present system of things would end. (Matt. 24:36) The apostles did not at first understand that Jesus’ Kingdom would be heavenly, that it was not to be established in the first century, and that even Gentiles may inherit it.—Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6, 7; 10:9-16, 34, 35; 2 Tim. 4:18; Rev. 5:9, 10.
It should not surprise us that in modern times too, Jehovah has often led his people as a progressive organization, gradually enlightening them as to Bible truths. It is not the truths themselves that change. Truth remains truth. Jehovah’s will and purpose, as outlined in the Bible, remain fixed. (Isa. 46:10) But their understanding of these truths gets progressively clearer “at the proper time,” Jehovah’s due time. (Matt. 24:45; compare Daniel 12:4, 9.) At times, because of human error or misguided zeal, their viewpoint may need to be adjusted.
For example, at various times in the modern-day history of Jehovah’s Witnesses, their zeal and enthusiasm for the vindication of Jehovah’s sovereignty have led to premature expectations as to when the end of Satan’s wicked system of things would come. (Ezek. 38:21-23) But Jehovah has not revealed in advance the exact time. (Acts 1:7) Hence, Jehovah’s people have had to adjust their views in this matter.
Such adjustments in viewpoint do not mean that God’s purpose has changed. Nor do they suggest that the end of this system is necessarily a long way off. On the contrary, the fulfillment of Bible prophecies concerning “the conclusion of the system of things” confirms the nearness of the end. (Matt. 24:3) Well, does the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses have had some premature expectations mean that they are not being led by God? Not any more than the disciples’ question about the imminence of the Kingdom in their day meant that they were not chosen and led by God!—Acts 1:6; compare Acts 2:47; 6:7.
Why are Jehovah’s Witnesses so sure that they have the true religion? Because they believe and accept what the Bible says as to the identifying marks of true worshipers. Their modern-day history, as discussed in earlier chapters of this publication, shows that, not just as individuals but as an organization, they meet the requisites: They loyally advocate the Bible as God’s sacred Word of truth (John 17:17); they keep completely separate from worldly affairs (Jas. 1:27; 4:4); they bear witness to the divine name, Jehovah, and proclaim God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope (Matt. 6:9; 24:14; John 17:26); and they genuinely love one another.—John 13:34, 35.
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Nickolas
Yeah, I was actually impressed by your post, SA. Except that Grant was elected president for his outstanding leadership during the Civil War and did little to improve the lot of the freed slaves during his presidency. Johnson's great strides toward achieving justice and equality for blacks in the US were overshadowed by his escalation of the unjust war in Vietnam which, in his defense, he inherited from Kennedy. The hatred poured out toward Johnson over the war took the heart out of him. Civil rights would have otherwise been his legacy.
A slave to single malt scotch,
Nick
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Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?
by leavingwt injohn w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.
are we angry atheists?.
.. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.
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Nickolas
Does it matter, really? Should we really be dissecting the motives of people doing good deeds, or just be happy those deeds are being done?
Yes, it matters. I cite for example major donors to universities and colleges. While clear that they are contributing to a worthy cause, education, it is also clear that by virtue of their generosity they are personally afforded special consideration when decisions are made on core curriculum and faculty. What this does is give power to rich men to shape society in their own images. That is but one example. Altruism of the rich and powerful is not without hidden agendas.
I thought we were talking about pissed-off atheists?
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Loftus: Are We Angry Atheists?
by leavingwt injohn w. loftus responds to the "angry atheist" assertion.
are we angry atheists?.
.. if we are angry, christians will see this as a sign we are god haters.
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Nickolas
God knows why people do good or why they do bad, hence he is the only one that can judge us.
Back on topic, sort of, how do you know this, PSacramento?