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  New here

  by Tuber in

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  hey all.. .

  thought i'd introduce myself.. .

  first, a disclaimer: i'm an athiest.. .

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  Curtains

  Tuber as an atheist you have a rich field to work from to involve your step mother in developing critical thinking skills. It is possible to take her on an interesting journey without appearing to be specifically critiquing Jehovahs witnesses per se.

  For example, the Revelation verses are using a tried and tested device to set up oppositions between true and false, good and bad. This device is the portrayal of the other as luxury loving, effeminate (the woman), drunken, lying, barbarian (babylonian) and full of excesses to delineate oneself as pious and dutiful in the service of TRUTH.

  Aeschylus' Persians is a good example of this. In this play the personas of the Persian Queen and Persians themselves including Xerxes are very similar to the woman, Babylon the great in Revelation.

  When I use these methods I tend not to have goals in mind leaving it up to the person to make discoveries for themselves. It can be quite stimulating resulting in a journey of one's own.

  btw I really like the way you are tackling your situation, questioning how deuteronomy fits with Revelation. As humans we love neatly fitting stories and are especially susceptible to being taught by this means. But Deuteronomy and Revelation do not fit neatly together as Jehovahs witnesses suggest.
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  Growing up a Jehovah's Witness - New Video

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have put together a video - growing up a jehovah's witness 1960 -2010. it aims to show the things a witnesses would be taught as they age over those decades.

  it is 15 minutes long.

  this is my first attempt at a video and it took a while to work out how to use final cut, so please feel free to make suggestions if anything should be changed.

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  Curtains

  excellent video Paul. I really like the clear way you foregrounded your sources making it nigh on impossible to obfuscate
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  Need Opinions -- Engaged to a JW!!

  by junebug_11 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  ok, quick run down of my situation.. .

  1. i am not religious.

  my now-fiance was raised jw but left the religion about 10 years ago.. 2. we started dating last march, i got pregnant within two weeks.

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  Curtains

  I feel for you junebug.

  Your opening post suggests to me that your fiance is looking for a place of safety for his family and the only place to has known is the JW religion's promotion of itself as safe place for families. But you are a mother, you have the wisdom and instinct to keep your child safe but not so safe that she cannot engage with life around her. If your finace is motivated by security issues then he needs to learn to trust your judgement and wisdom - if he isn't willing to do this now then once he returns fully to Jehovahs witnesses he will most certainly, at the instigation of the organisation, undermine your abilities and wisdom as a mother to promote the non wisdom of a shallow organisation that is bent on the survival of its identity. Jehovahs witnesses are run by a small group of childless men for childless emasculated men. All are slowly denuded of their powers and become subservient to these awful ideals
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  Being a feminist in the JW religion

  by Chemical Emotions in

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  it essentially makes me feel like i am an evil, immoral, selfish imdividual who god hates (even though "evil" is really a religious term, and i am not religious, even though i don't do terrible things, even though i care about others so much that i am remaining a jw mainly for other people).

  i hate not being able to express my feelings, not just about supposed gender roles, but about many aspects of life.

  i think i am fair and accepting about both sexes, and all sexual orientations, and about many other things, such as a person's religion or the lack thereof.. and yet in this religion it is veiwed as a bad thing, a sin, to accept or even tolerate these things without prejudice.

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  Curtains

  good for you junebug

  come to think of it I too would have much preferred being in a leadership role and would much rather have been giving the talks than receiving them.
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  Being a feminist in the JW religion

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it essentially makes me feel like i am an evil, immoral, selfish imdividual who god hates (even though "evil" is really a religious term, and i am not religious, even though i don't do terrible things, even though i care about others so much that i am remaining a jw mainly for other people).

  i hate not being able to express my feelings, not just about supposed gender roles, but about many aspects of life.

  i think i am fair and accepting about both sexes, and all sexual orientations, and about many other things, such as a person's religion or the lack thereof.. and yet in this religion it is veiwed as a bad thing, a sin, to accept or even tolerate these things without prejudice.

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  Curtains

  I so agree that men are coerced to fit a stereotype and believe they harm themselves in the process
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  Tying Your Shoes With Modesty and Soundness of Mind

  by Franklin Massey in

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  2. friends

  the lack of intellectually stimulating material within the jw religion right now is astounding.

  there is clearly a lack of spiritually dense material and a surplus of ridiculous, childish babble.

  the regular "food" that jws are being fed is illustratively equivalent to pureed baby food.

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  bingo Newchapter - you are spot on with your first suggestion
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  The magazines didn't used to be so dumb and boring

  by Lore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's an excerpt from this weeks watchtower study in 1950: .

  *** w50 6/15 p. 180 a victory dedicated to jehovahs honor ***.

  the strategy, and the attack.

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  Curtains

  pace, atmosphere and captivating narrative - so distant from the snooze inducing cheap morality we are peddled today.
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  Tying Your Shoes With Modesty and Soundness of Mind

  by Franklin Massey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the lack of intellectually stimulating material within the jw religion right now is astounding.

  there is clearly a lack of spiritually dense material and a surplus of ridiculous, childish babble.

  the regular "food" that jws are being fed is illustratively equivalent to pureed baby food.

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  Curtains

  I understand that nowadays the fashion is to wear dress shoes without socks. A brother at one hall has taken to following this fashion and this has incensed an elder. The sockless brother has been reaching out for several years and desperately wants to be appointed MS (so I am told) but small fashion statements like the one above have kept him on the sidelines. However I do wonder if he is indeed desperate to be appointed and in reality is making his own small protest via small fashion transgressions. I hope he is because he is one of the few who tends to do things his own way.
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  Aloha, I'm new and in need of legal advice

  by robyn1991 in

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  2. friends

  so i've been told there are a few people on her that could help me with this problem?.

  to cut a very long story short, i was raised a jw, i left the wt in january to be with my partner, a non-jw.

  i was marked for dating, even though i hadn't attended a meeting since december.

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  Curtains

  hi robyn - welcome

  tough situation.

  I dont have any legal training but am interested in this subject. I'd suggest that before you consult a solicitor write to your local body of elders asking them what your status is at present. Hopefully they will reply which will give you something in writing that your solicitor can work with.

  Nowadays Jehovahs witnesses say "so and so is no longer a part of the congregation" in their public announcements. And this would be true in your case, so the announcment in itself can seem harmless. So I would suggest that in your letter you ask the elders if you are now to be treated as a disfellowshipped person and if so what this entails.
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  Australia: Victorian Child Protection Inquiry Hears Evidence Against Watch Tower Society

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the following information was taken from steven unthank's facebook page:.

  http://www.facebook.com/notes/jw-news/news-release-victorian-child-protection-inquiry-hears-evidence-against-watch-tow/208372889198519.

  news release: victorian child protection inquiry hears evidence against watch tower society .

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  Curtains

  the whole subject is a dogs breakfast here too doofdaddy just as it is to the WTS, I'm sure.

  mind you if the public get hold of something then politicians and police forces have to give it a higher profile on their agenda.