Posts by Curtains

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DISCUSSION re Lifton's Mind Control Techniques

by Lady Lee in

in another thread i mentioned my you tube video regarding lifton's mind control techniques.

this is a short 7 minute clip of an 85 minute long interview done in 2000.

(i've been saying 2001 but that is wrong) anyways djeggnogg had some comments abotu what he saw on the clip and what he knows about lifton's mnd control terchniques.. i am taking that part of the discussion to a new thread.

Curtains

thanks Lady Lee re how to get randy's book

djeggnog

did you read the link I posted. Lifton himself rebuts all your arguments against me and the arguments you are using above. It also shows that your view of plagiarism is incorrect. Now you admit that you are sharing your own opinion. All I can say is that you have an incorrect opinion and your are simply out to condemn people here. Now where have we heard that before? The problem with Jehovahs witnessess is that they condemn loudly and vociferously. By this means they expect to and succeed in swaying people. Well this does not work here djeggnogg. The people here are kind and patient and will go over the incorrect points you are trying to pass off as something to pay attention to.

Also if you read the link I provided you will see that Lifton says

"I have been especially pleased by the extent too which this earlier volume on thought reform has remained central to literature on cults and totalism in general."

Of course Randy Watters is using Lifton's thoughts and ideas but his genius lies in the fact that he is expertly applying them to Jehovahs witnesses. In this respect he is an expert and his book is important for us who want to see the connections made and are trying to exit form this cult.

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Undeserved Kindness - Actually Deserved

by sabastious in

my younger brother recently moved in with me.

for the past 5 years he has done really nothing but abuse substance.

cocaine, alcohol cigarettes etc.

Curtains

Sabastious

I agree with your 50/50 reasoning and conclusions

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DISCUSSION re Lifton's Mind Control Techniques

by Lady Lee in

in another thread i mentioned my you tube video regarding lifton's mind control techniques.

this is a short 7 minute clip of an 85 minute long interview done in 2000.

(i've been saying 2001 but that is wrong) anyways djeggnogg had some comments abotu what he saw on the clip and what he knows about lifton's mnd control terchniques.. i am taking that part of the discussion to a new thread.

Curtains

I think I'm going to order Randy's book. when did he publish it? is it new?

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Marital Due and the KS

by yknot in

i just did a 'quick' search and 'marital due' doesn't appear to have made the 'list' of issues addressed in the ks!.

did i miss something?????

shouldn't the blantant repeated refusal (not justifiable under illness, ability, or discernable reason) be an issue addressed?.

Curtains

djeggnogg - reply to you on lady lee's thread

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DISCUSSION re Lifton's Mind Control Techniques

by Lady Lee in

in another thread i mentioned my you tube video regarding lifton's mind control techniques.

this is a short 7 minute clip of an 85 minute long interview done in 2000.

(i've been saying 2001 but that is wrong) anyways djeggnogg had some comments abotu what he saw on the clip and what he knows about lifton's mnd control terchniques.. i am taking that part of the discussion to a new thread.

Curtains

djeggnog, please read what Lifton wrote in his 1989 preface regarding his book when it was republished. Here is the link

http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=FU_ifHrIIg0C&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=Thought+Reform+and+the+Psychology+of+Totalism,+A+Study+of+%27Brainwashing%27+in+China%22&ots=6p3zgzgNrD&sig=IpvRX3bdyXFyQHRnWNr8sbHp8nw#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Marital Due and the KS

by yknot in

i just did a 'quick' search and 'marital due' doesn't appear to have made the 'list' of issues addressed in the ks!.

did i miss something?????

shouldn't the blantant repeated refusal (not justifiable under illness, ability, or discernable reason) be an issue addressed?.

Curtains

djeggnog

I've looked at Randy Watters article on freeminds. He makes it clear that Lifton wrote a book on Brainwashing and that the points from that book can be used to identify whether a goup is a destructive cult or not. THis is not plagiarism. Plagiarism is when the source material is not referenced. Randy Watters clearly tells us where he got his material and he tells us how he is going to use the material. Adapting the paragraph headings to suit his purposes is not plagiarism because he has already told us he is going to do this. Here is how Randy opens his essay

" Brainwashing has become almost a household word in the last two decades or so. In 1961, Robert J. Lifton wrote the definitive book on the subject, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, after studying the effects of mind control on American prisoners of war under the Communist Chinese. Lifton outlines eight major factors that can be used to identify whether a group is a destructive cult or not . Any authoritarian religion should be held up to the light in order to determine just how destructive their influence is on their members. Judge for yourselves. Try reading Understanding Mind Control Among Jehovah's Witnesses."

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Marital Due and the KS

by yknot in

i just did a 'quick' search and 'marital due' doesn't appear to have made the 'list' of issues addressed in the ks!.

did i miss something?????

shouldn't the blantant repeated refusal (not justifiable under illness, ability, or discernable reason) be an issue addressed?.

Curtains

djeggnog

how do you expect your arguments to stand when you contradict yourself from one paragraph to the next. How can you accuse Watters of plagiarization when you admit that he does say where he got his information.

Do you really expect us to accept your very incorrect definition of plagiarization?

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Change in membership rolls Norway

by InquiryMan in

the watchtower society in norway has voluntarily and on their own initiative reduced their membership rolls in order to fit to the world wide practice of witnesses when it comes to membership enrollment.. now, they only incluce baptized members, not children and non-baptized publishers in the number they report to the authorities.

as a registered faith community, jws, alike with all other registered religious and philosophical communities, receive support from the government.

that is calculated on basis of the number of members... in times past they included children, thus making the membership into some 15,000, whereas now they report just slightly above 11,000. the money paid is a sort of repayment of taxes paid by inhabitants, as norway has a state church.

Curtains

I rather think that the initiative has come from the Norwegian government, in its drive towards secularistion, than from Jehovahs witnesses. Inquiry man is there any way of checking if this is so?

Are other faiths in Norway alllowed to report non baptized children as members? major christian faiths do baptize infants - so this practice would make children, who are baptized, members of the faith and so qualify them to be put on the roll, early in their lives. Jehovahs withesses cannot claim this privilige as they do not baptize infants.

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