Posts by Kenneson

the tacoma convention made the news under the headline "baptism of faithful at tacoma dome" by martha modeen; the news tribune.. one interesting passage reads: "this weekends gathering attracted a few of the sect's opponents.

one local group posted about a dozen signs outside the tacoma dome challenging the faith's teachings.

church members paid little attention, even to a woman with a bullhorn barking out scriptural denunciations of their teachings.".

Kenneson

The Tacoma Convention made the news under the headline "Baptism of faithful at Tacoma Dome" by Martha Modeen; The News Tribune.

One interesting passage reads: "This weekends gathering attracted a few of the sect's opponents. One local group posted about a dozen signs outside the Tacoma dome challenging the faith's teachings. Church members paid little attention, even to a woman with a bullhorn barking out scriptural denunciations of their teachings."

"We recognize people are going to disagree with us," Blondheim said.

For the complete story:

http://www.tribnet.com/news/local/story/1416617p-1534989c.html

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Hardline on disfellowshipped ones

by eyeslice in

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once again a hard line is being taken on shunning disfellowshipped and disassociated ones.

perhaps this is some sort of backlash against the recent adverse dateline publicity in the us, the forthcoming pananorama programme in the uk and problems with a number of influential ones leaving the organization.

the text below is from the august km insert and the meeting part is to be handled by a "well qualified" elder with the paragraphs being read by a "capable reader".

Kenneson

Dmouse writes: "It appears that Jesus wanted his followers to follow their example of how to treat people who became unrepentant sinners."

Jesus would not do one thing (associate with tax collectors and Gentiles) and then turn around and tell his followers to do something differently. His followers already had reached a point where they were a congregation. They learned from Him how to treat tax collectors and men of the nations. Matthew was a tax collector and why would the Apostles and other followers have treated him any differently than Jesus did? The way most people interpret this passage is that Jesus was telling them to ostracize the brother. No, he said "let him be to YOU as a man of the nations and a tax collector." They no longer by this time would have viewed tax collectors and the Gentiles with opprobrium. If they now treated tax collectors and Gentiles as Jesus did, how would love have allowed them to be contemptuous to a brother? Notice, he is still called a brother. I see it as Jesus telling them to love the brother even if he doesn't listen to the person that first approached him, to two or three witnesses or to the congregation. In other words, don't try to legislate morality; just keep on loving him as you would a tax collector (like Matthew and Zacchaeus). In a similar vein, further on we are told: "... Peter came up and said to him: "Lord, how many times is my brother to sin against me and am I to forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus said to him: "I say to you, not, Up to seven times, but, up to sevently-seven times."

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Letter read iIn ALL UK Congregations this Sunday

by Jim Dee in

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uk re panorama program .

a letter has been sent to all po's private addresses to be read out to each uk congregation this sunday - the wt is to be 35 mins long and the lette will take 25 mons to read it.. the instructions on it are :-.

1. read it yourself.

Kenneson

Wonder what country will be the next to go public?

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Tumwater KH Burning Investigation

by Kenneson in

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that kingdom hall fire at tumwater, near olympia is of a suspicious nature.

the latest can be found at:.

http://www.theolympian.com/home/ .

Kenneson

That Kingdom Hall fire at Tumwater, near Olympia is of a suspicious nature. The latest can be found at:

http://www.theolympian.com/home/

Scroll down until you find the article.

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Armageddon to come some other 1914?

by The_Bad_Seed in

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laughing at a few articles in the "live forever" book last night with my girlfriend, i noticed an alarming caption along the lines of some of those born in the 1914 generation will live to see the end of this wicked system of things, and will be 'delivered' to a hellish world not unlike the teletubbies very own.

well, i made the latter up, and the alarm i spoke of, lies not in this deeply disturbing propechy, but in the information i pulled from statistics canada website today where i learned that the life expectancy of canadians is as follows: .

males: 75.8a .

Kenneson

Fred,

With the burglary systems some have in our homes, we won't be caught off guard.

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A few Racist quotes from the past

by Scorpion in

1900 "there are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the watch .

tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, .

financially and other-wise .. [but they are not allowed to participate in the "pioneer .

Kenneson

I have read a couple of good papers on this topic. One is entitled "Jehovah's Witnesses, Blacks and Discrimination" and can be viewed at:

http://www.premier1.net/~raines/discrimination.html

The other is found at:

http://www.freeminds.org/history/blacks.htm

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Mormonism - a few points

by Amazing in

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mormonism is an enigma.

they extol higher education, then turn right around and insult education by their farms archeology site sponsored by byu.

just how this religion ever got by as far as they did is beyond me.

Kenneson

Amazing,

I am interested in your source and quote of what Joe Smith had to say about his greatness. Please post it. Thanks.

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Hardline on disfellowshipped ones

by eyeslice in

jw
friends

once again a hard line is being taken on shunning disfellowshipped and disassociated ones.

perhaps this is some sort of backlash against the recent adverse dateline publicity in the us, the forthcoming pananorama programme in the uk and problems with a number of influential ones leaving the organization.

the text below is from the august km insert and the meeting part is to be handled by a "well qualified" elder with the paragraphs being read by a "capable reader".

Kenneson

On point 2: How to Treat Expelled Ones, the Watchtower comments: "Jesus words recorded at Matt. 18:17 also on the matter: 'Let (the expelled one) be to you just as a man of the nations and a tax collector.' Jesus' hearers well knew that the Jews of that day had no fraternization with Gentiles and that they shunned tax collectors as outcasts. Jesus was thus instructing his followers not the associate with expelled ones--See the Watchtower of September 15, 1981, pages 18-20."

"The words "the expelled one" are not in the original Scripture passage here. Moreover, why would Jesus contradict his own actions? Where does it say He refused to associate with Gentiles and tax collectors? On the contrary, he sat with tax collectors and ate with them (see Matt. 9:10, ll; Mark 2:15, 16; Luke 5:29, 30). He was considered a friend of tax collectors (Matt. 11:19, Luke 7:34). The tax collectors and prostitutes believed Jesus and were entering the kingdom ahead of the priests and elders. (Matt. 21:23-32) Tax collectors and sinners were welcomed to hear Jesus (Matt. 15:1) The tax collector was declared righteous above the Pharisee (Luke 18:10-14). And finally, Jesus chose the tax collector Matthew to be one of the Apostles (Matt.9:9 and 10:3) And Zacchaeus was a chief tax collector (Luke 19:1-10) This is a far cry from shunning as Jws maintain.

What about a man of the nations or a Gentile? How did He treat them? Jesus had no qualms about entering into Samaria and speaking to a Samaritan woman although the Jews had no dealings with Samaritans. (John 4:7-28) Through her other Samaritans put their faith in Jesus and asked him to stay longer. (John 4:39-42) See also the story of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29-37) Luke 17:11-19 has Jesus going through Samaria and curing 10 lepers. Only a Samaritan returned to give Him thanks. How did Jesus treat the Roman soldier? See Matt. 8:5-13. Vs. 11-12 are particularly interesting: "But I tell you that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens; whereas the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the darkness outside. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be." See also Luke 13:29-30.

Whereas, when the apostles first began preaching they went only to the house of Israel, through Jesus' example, they learned that the message was also for the Gentiles (people of the nations) These are really the "other sheep" that John 10:16 speaks of and not an earthly class as the W.T. maintains. By the time of his resurrection, there is no doubt left that His message is for everyone. "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit..."

No, Jesus didn't shun tax collectors or Gentiles.