fulltimestudent
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A beautiful song, sung in Tibetan at a Tibetan University
by fulltimestudent inyou'll probably have to click to start, qq is not linked as youtube is.
and there is an advertisement at the beginning.. the setting is the university's cafeteria.. the university could be qinghai university in xining, the capital of qinghai province, which is mainly tibetan and mongolian.
the song itself is a cover of a hit called, love you, by a hongkong group named, beyond.. i think i have all that correct.. http://v.qq.com/cover/k/k2ji773zcyf8x11.html?vid=h0149dikkob.
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you'll probably have to click to start, QQ is not linked as Youtube is. And there is an advertisement at the beginning.
The setting is the university's cafeteria.
The University could be Qinghai University in Xining, the capital of Qinghai Province, which is mainly Tibetan and Mongolian.
The song itself is a cover of a hit called, Love You, by a Hongkong group named, Beyond.
I think I have all that correct.
http://v.qq.com/cover/k/k2ji773zcyf8x11.html?vid=h0149dikkob
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Impossible conversation: Jesus and Nicodemus: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN
by Terry ini am a member on new testament scholar bart ehrman's blog, and the professor is currently outlining a new book he is writing about false memory and the life of jesus.. an interesting post occurred today in which he gives an example of a very famous scripture,.
example of a false memory of jesus teaching i turn to a famous passage in the gospel of john, jesus dialogue with nicodemus (john 3:1-15).
nicodemus is said to be a jewish leader who comes up to jesus and affirms that jesus must come from god because of the great things that he said to have done.
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Thnx for posting that viewpoint.
Another perspective, that I use form time to time, is that we all live our lives in a storied framework of our own writing. The gospel writers published their stories of Jesus (whether it was an historical Jesus or mythical Jesus does not really matter).
Does anyone here, really remember, word for word, the Public Talk at your first ever big convention? So how could anyone recall exactly what Jesus said, some 30 years + later?
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JWs through the eyes of an eight year old
by maksutov inmy wife is a jw, and is teaching our eight year old daughter jw beliefs.
i am trying to teach her about evolution and critical thinking skills.
here is a conversation we had today (as best i can remember it):daughter: "why do bad things happen?
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Good enough, or not good enough, is of no importance. Your daughter is on her own road, she has to travel it for herself, enjoying some beautiful things and weeping over the inevitable tragedies.
All we can do as parents is to attempt to outfit them with the best strategies - and I would assess your effort as helpful to her emotional and intellectural growth. But time will tell.
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Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document
by fulltimestudent inas jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.
i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.
so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.
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jhine6 hours ago
fulltime , sorry if I misrepresented you in any way .I was just trying to point out to TTTE ( who I am not sure is still with us , on the thread I mean ) that exchange of ideas is a healthy thing .
You are right about Ignatius of course and it might be him who says that this teaching came down from the Apostles as he was so close to John . This is obviously why the WT resorts to misquoting the Early Church Fathers in their literature ..Jan, I hadn't seen myself misrepresented, so that's OK!
If you have not yet found the site, a site called 'Early Christian Writers" provides an opportunity to read what they wrote. (link: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ ).
These writers 'flesh' out what other 'Christians' were thinking/believing after the Apostles were dead. Sad, that we know so little about those of the 12 who are 'disappeared' by the well-known names. A good collection of these writings can be found in Bart Ehrman's, 'After the New Testament- A Reader in Early Christianity.' It just may be in your local library.
Ignatius, is most famous, for his peddling a church structure controlled by the Bishop (who must be obeyed), assisted by Elders and Deacons. My previous Ignatius quote (provided courtesy of Vermes) came from Iggies, "Letter to the Romans." Ch.3. verse, 3. It says in full,
"Nothing you can see has a real value. Our God Jesus Christ, indeed, has revealed himself more clearly by returning to the family. The greatness of Christianity lies in its being hated by the world, not in its being convincing to it."
Here's old Iggie being eaten by lions, a little after writing the above. The lions, of course, (grin) have no real value. Though, I guess the lions thought a mouthful of Iggie was real value.
The painting is from from the Menologion of Basil II (c. 1000 AD)
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There are some interesting quotes, about "god" that I've culled from Verme's book. Cant spend time to post them right now, I must submit a visa application this morning, for a planned trip to southern China, next month.
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"Try-harders" going on witnessing "holidays" to countries under ban!
by stuckinarut2 ini can't get over how many "try-harders" are going on "holidays" to countries that are under govt ban!.
they get tourist visas to get into the countries (such as parts of asia) but are really there to preach.... .
how dishonest!.
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hahaI I wonder how many are game to try North Korea??? In fact, I dare them, surely Yahweh/Jesus will protect them - (another grin)
As far as China goes, there are many people and many religions doing the same thing. Its evidence, not of spiritual bravery, but a sign of obsession. Contrary to what many think, Christianity is not banned in China. The government wants all religions to be registered and if they do not register, they could be in some trouble. If you go to Wenzhou, you'll see buildings with crosses on all over the city. Some of these churches are 300+ years old (established by Dominican Catholic Missionaries).
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Polytheism in the Book of Daniel, a late second temple religious document
by fulltimestudent inas jehovah's witnesses we committed ourselves to a blind belief in a monotheistic judaism that was automatically transmitted to a new religious organisation, started (we were taught) by jesus.. that's the premise which this thread will discuss.
i suggest that sufficient evidence is available to throw doubt on both those beliefs.
so this thread will argue (over about a week-hopefully) that:.
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hine:
an hour agofullime student - We are clearly.offering two different possible explanations for the vision in the book of Daniel . I see the "son of man " as the second person of the Trinity , you see him as proof of polytheism .
Either way it does challenge the WT view of scriptureThe way you wish to view any information, must be your own personal decision. As you likely have realised, I am not a believer in either view, I'm simply interested in the transfer and development of ideas. I used to wonder how the trinity doctrine developed. I now have a rather comprehensive view of that.
Quite likely, Daniel 7 may have been part of the story. I think it is arguable that Jesus did exist (as a small time Galilean, would-be prophet) and came to be under the delusion that Daniel 7 (and other texts) would be fulfilled in/by him. It is clear that in less than 100 years of his death, some Christians were seeing him as (smile) Divine.
I turned to Geza Vermes, one of the best of modern scholars, for some more information. But the men are unimportant, the arguments they present, and the supporting evidence they call attention, to are far more important. Vermes has been both Catholic and Jewish, so may have a unique way of seeing the world.In his, "Christian Beginnings-From Nazareth to Nicea," AD 30 to 325 (Allen Lane, 2012) he notes that the well-known Ignatius, as early as 110 CE, could talk about, "Our God, Jesus." (p.170). Ignatius is seen (according to church historian, Origen) as the immediate successor to Peter as the Bishop of Antioch. (Eusebius, however lists him as third in line ) he's an important early source of information, as on his way to martyrdom in Rome, in 110CE, he wrote to many early churches. And, if the WTS chronology for John was/is correct, Ignatius could have known the Apostle John.
So here's this man, writing about, "our God Jesus." I'm not sure how Charlie Russell or Fredy F, would've explained that.
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1975 failed prediction?
by Garrett inheyo,.
your favorite garrett here.
so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.
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Giordano I Kid you not here in their own words is one of my favorite quotes ............lord have mercy.
(Speaking about the resurrection after 1925 when there would be the start of the new world and no death....... the writer suggests the following in TWTP pg 228 on how to recruit decorators to redecorate the homes that would now be available.) “You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty.”Thank you for that reminder of the vivid imaginations of Rutherford's. Here's one of my favourites.
Remember Joe Rutherford's startling prophecy:
Millions Now Living Will never Die.
Sadly, most of those who believed Joe's prophecy, have already faded away and turned to dust. So it is already a failed prophecy.
Statistically, it is estimated that in 2014 there were less than 320,000 people on earth who had achieved the age of 100. ( Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centenarian ).
Here's how old Joe (himself dead) prophesied - and of course at many Public meetings on the topic - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die."
An extract from one of Joe's books.
Link: http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/millions/millions.html
Millions Now Living Will Never Die
THE emphatic announcement that millions now living on earth will never die must seem presumptuous to many people; but when the evidence is carefully considered I believe that almost every fair mind will concede that the conclusion is a reasonable one. -
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Louvre Exhibition of Thracian Art Treasures from modern Bulgaria.
by fulltimestudent inthracian kings epic.
archaeological discoveries in bulgaria.
if you're anywhere near the louvre museum in the next few weeks, you may find this exhibition of archaeological treasures from bulgaria exciting.. its bulgaria's first ever exhibition in the louvre museum in frances capital paris which will showcase the most impressive treasures of ancient thrace, and the way of life of the little known internationally odrysian kingdom, the most powerful state of the ancient thracians.. .
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There are more images in the overview from, 'Archeology in Bulgaria.'
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Louvre Exhibition of Thracian Art Treasures from modern Bulgaria.
by fulltimestudent inthracian kings epic.
archaeological discoveries in bulgaria.
if you're anywhere near the louvre museum in the next few weeks, you may find this exhibition of archaeological treasures from bulgaria exciting.. its bulgaria's first ever exhibition in the louvre museum in frances capital paris which will showcase the most impressive treasures of ancient thrace, and the way of life of the little known internationally odrysian kingdom, the most powerful state of the ancient thracians.. .
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If the historical background interests you, some historical notes are included below:
1.The Ancient Thracians were an ethno-cultural group of Indo-European tribes inhabiting much ofSoutheast Europe from about the middle of the second millennium BC to about the 6th century AD on the territory of modern-day Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Greece, Turkey, Macedonia, Serbia.
2.The Odrysian Kingdom is a union of Thracian tribes dominated by the tribe of the Odrysians (also known as Odrysea or Odrusai bearing the name of a mythical ruler, Odryses or Odrisis, (ca. 715 – ca. 650 AD), was the most powerful state of the Ancient Thracians. It existed from the unification of many Thracian tribes by a single ruler, King Teres, in the 5th century BC till its conquest by theRomans in 46 AD on the territory of most of modern-day Bulgaria, Northern Greece, Southeastern Romania, and Northwestern Turkey.
3.The Getae or Gets were Thracian tribes inhabiting the regions on both sides of the Lower Danube in today’s Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania.
4.T he Triballi were a Thracian tribe inhabiting the region of modern-day Western Bulgaria and Southern Serbia.
5. Teres I (r. ca. 475 – ca. 445 BC) was the first king of the Odrysian Kingdom uniting about 40 Thracian tribes. He was succeeded consecutively by his sons, Sparatocos (r. ca. 445-ca. 431 BC) and Sitalces (r. ca. 431 – ca. 424 BC).
6. Seuthes III was a king of the Odrysian kingdom of Thrace from ca. 331 BC to ca. 300 BC, at first tributary to Alexander the Great of Macedon. In 2004, as part an expedition dubbed TEMP, lateBulgarian archaeologist Georgi Kitov discovered Seuthes III’s tomb on the Golyama Kosmatka Moundnear his capital Seuthopolis (close to today’s towns of Kazanlak and Shipka), part of the Valley of Thracian Kings. The impressive finds included the famous lifelike bronze head of Seuthes III, hisgolden laurel wreath, golden kylix (ancient drinking cup), among others. Some of these finds (except for the ruler’s bronze head) are to be shown in the upcoming exhibit of Bulgaria’s Ancient Thracian treasures in the Louvre Museum in Paris, France, “Ancient Thrace. The Odrysian Kingdom”, between April 15 and July 20, 2015.
7. The Panagyurishte Treasure, also known as the Panagyurishte Gold Treasure, was found in 1949 by three brothers – Pavel, Petko and Michail Deikovi, who worked together at the region of Merul tile factory near the town of Panagyurishte, Bulgaria. It consists of a phial, an amphora and seven rhyta with total weight of 6.164 kg of 23-karat gold. All of the objects are richly and skilfully decorated with scenes from Thracian mythology, customs and life. It is dated to the 4th-3rd centuries BC, and is thought to have been used as a royal ceremonial set by the Thracian king Seuthes III.
8. The Rogozen Treasure was discovered by chance in 1985 by a tractor driver digging a well in his garden in the Bulgarian village of Rogozen. It consists of 165 receptacles, including 108 phiales, 55 jugs and 3 goblets. The objects are silver with golden gilt on some of them with total weight of more than 20 kg. The treasure is an invaluable source of information for the life of the Thracians due to the variety of motifs in the richly decorated objects. It is dated back to the 5th-4th centuries B.O.T.
9.The Borovo Treasure, also known as the Borovo Silver Treasure, consists of five silver-gilt decorated vessels found in 1974 while ploughing a field in Borovo, Northeastern Bulgaria. The set has a bowl, a rhyta jug, and three rhyta, the largest of them with a figure of a sphynx and an inscription reading:“[Belongs to] Cotys from [the town of] Beos.”, as well as the name of the craftsman, Etbeos, leading to speculations that the treasure may have been a gift to a local Getic ruler from Odrysian King Cotys I(r. 382-359 BC).
10. The Letnitsa Treasure is dated back to the 4th century BC. It was found by accident in 1963 during a dig near the town of Letnitsa in Central Bulgaria in a bronze vessel. It consists of a large number ofsmall decorated silver items as well as a Thracian warrior’s decorated horse ammunition found nearby.
11. The Mogilanska Mound Treasure, also known as the Vratsa Gold Treasure, was found duringexcavations of a mound (which turned out to hold three tombs) in the downtown of Northwestern Bulgarian city of Vratsa in 1965-1966. The treasure found with the skeletons of people and horses, and chariots, consists of a golden crown of laurels, 47 gold appliqués, 2 golden earrings, 4 silver phialai, a silver jug, a rhyton-shaped amphora, and 50 clay figures. The Mogilanska Mound is believed to be aroyal tomb connected with the dynasty of the Tribali tribe.
12. The Zlatinitsa Mound Treasure consists of a golden wreath with appliqués, a seal ring, a greave, and two silver rhyta. It was found in 2005 near the town of Zlatinitsa in Southeastern Bulgaria by the team of archaeologist Daniela Agre in the tomb of a Thracian ruler dated back to the middle of 4th century BC.
13. The Thracian Tomb of Sveshtari is located near the town of Sveshtari, Northeastern Bulgaria. It is aGetic tomb with unique caryatids and murals dating back to the 3rd century BC, and was found in 1982. It is a UNESCO World Heritage site.
14. The Sboryanovo Archaeological Complex is an archaeological preserve located near the town ofSveshtari including over 140 archaeological and cultural monuments – from prehistoric and Thracian necropolises to medieval and modern-day Christian and Muslim shrines. It includes the Sveshtari Tomb and the ruins of the Ancient Thracian city of Helis, capital of the Getae. In October 2014,Bulgarian archaeologist Diana Gergova discovered a rich necropolis of a Getic ruler (including more than 180 gold items) during excavations at the Sboryanovo Archaeological Complex.